As the person that originally requested that the fence be unchained and the park be opened to dogs I would totally support a bigger park down the street. Now that this area is activated with the new development it probably makes more sense to try this out as a pedestrian park again.

It would be better for the dogs not sure about the owners to think about a real dog park close by. We love the dogs and their owners and want was is best for them . I think a well designed dog park designed for dogs and their owner would benefit all. The nice part about the triangle is people feel safe and the negative side of the triangle is its too small. What would be ideal is a park dog could be off lease and people feel safe going to even at night for their evening walk

A nearby dog park with lights would be a wonderful addition to the community!

I'm for keeping the arboretum as an arboretum, the pedestrian as a pedestrian, and the dogs get their own space somewhere.

Current Dog Park

Dog Park? Thats the Park of the site of the WWII Veterans War Memorial!
That smelly, trip hazard dog hole, public stench from owners leaving dog feces on the ground, and spraying urine, creates an aroma making surrounding restaurant customers sitting outside or waiting inline want to vomit! Dog park should be near the other ball fields or ice skating rink or newly mill river trail getting funded by grants.
I address this last year, 1st light on the evening flag pole honor our proud USA Old glory colors, 2nd there should be grass through the memorial park for and understand as when there are newly placed name markers assigned that the size of the bricks area allotted will grow. Third, the City should have a veterans liaison work with the VFW to petition any registered honorable discharged papers required at Town Clerks Office notify any WII families to have their family members names placed at the memorial. THE DOG PARK SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN AUTHORIZED BY THE CITY PARKS DEPARTMENT! ADDITIONALLY, all Flag Poles in all parks, greens, schools and city buildings including NEW HAVEN LAND TRUST PROPERTY SITES should have a solar powered wind turbine illuminated flag poles required by flag standards and etiquette congressional law!
Semper Fidelis!!!

mathurin25, I totally agree! Totally!

Memorial spaces shouldn't be what this space was prior to the dog park (an abandoned patch of grass where noone goes.) There's no better way to pay tribute to the lives scrificed by veterans than to spend some contemplative time enjoying life in a park dedicated to them. The dog park brought people there. Dog-pooh scofflaws bedamned but they don't represent the majority; if the majority left their dog-pooh there, the pile would be as high as city hall (theres a politician joke in there somewhere but i digress).

robyn, I disagree... Do you know who old the memorial is? Are you saying it's okay for some dog poo to be left there as long as it's not too big a pile,, relatively speaking? Sorry,, your dog does not deserve to be honored instead of the soldiers who gave their lives so that you could have the freedom to post here. Contemplative time vs dogs yapping, pooping, sniffing our crotches.. haha Bringing more people there is not the purpose of the memorial,, contemplative time requires quiet, which means not many people or dogs.

NEIGHBOR,

I'm not forgiving pooh-scofflaws. And sorry but I disagree with you. A memorial park is a park, not a cemetary, and a memorial park that nobody visits doesn't serve to memorialize lost lives because effectively, a memorial unseen isn't a memorial.

I've seen my share of poop in the dog park and also used needles, old rubbers and beer cans in the Eagle St. Arboretum. It took months of urging to get the city to clean up the pile of garbage that someone had dumped at the Arboretum last year, and poop cleanup did not seem to be on their agenda for the dog park. The city mowed it once a year and occasionally threw some grass seed on it.

Turning the dog park into an open grassy area with flowers and benches--and even a memorial stone to the neighborhood's vets--is a great idea. I'm sure Mezcal and it's customers will be happy. But if there isn't constant attention to upkeep, we're only back where we started. Same with a re-located dog park on Mechanic. Who wants to live next door to dog poop?

There's no point in having any kind of park that can't be maintained on a regular basis.

I have lived on Cottage St and I am completely in the dark as to the location of the Arboretum. ??? Where is this. On another note: There are times when being in the dark is better than having glaring lights in your eyes. If lights are added anywhere - please be aware that overly bright lights actually contribute to crime. Lighting is necessary, but it needs to be done right and well. (Unlike the new obnoxious street lights on my street.)

@ Mary--The arboretum is located where Mechanic Street meets Eagle by East Rock School. It is currently used as a community green space.

I would jump for joy if the lot adjacent to my house was turned into a dog park. The minority of pooh scofflaws aside, dog walkers are lovely people and like a free burglar alarm. It's Jane Jacobs "Eyes on the Street" 101. That's something most people understand regardless of the one or two sociopathic grinches on Ronan Street that have set the bar in NHV for anti-social behavior.

Current arboretum and abandoned city street.

That's not a very good view of the arboretum.. hahaha.. or is the arboretum only that little paved square where the parked car is? Can you get a better view?

I just looked at the photo of the dog park.. sad.. no grass in the middle, just a trash can. It used to have a nice little lawn and flowers, and a bench or two.. it was a pretty place to pass, or eat the food bought at the restaurants. Now it looks like a small cow or horse coral.

Neighbor2
Which park are you looking at? I just looked at the Mechanic triangle on Google street view (which appears to have been refreshed late winter early spring) and there's a reasonable amount of grass even prior to warm spring.

ROBN,

You are not sorry you disagree with me, and I'm not sorry I disagree with you. This is America and we can disagree. Of course a memorial park is a park.. and it's not that no one visits but it's also not a place to be rowdy and stinky with dog poop.. It's a place to remember .. memorial = remember. And it's not even that people have to crowd around and stand.. Some people lookat it from a car.. But pooping at a memorial is disrespectful,, and running around crazy and assaulting people who do want to sit there quietly is disrespectful,, and yes, a dog that comes up and sniffs you is assaulting you. Again,, a dog park should be at a special place that people don't want to use.. let it go to the dogs.

Scroll up. to see which photo of the triangle I looked at.. posted by someone here.

There will be an in-person meeting to discuss the possibility of improving the current dog park and/or exploring other options on Mechanic Street on Thursday, April 14 at 6 p.m. at the leasing office of 1040 State Street. Feel free to come on by and be a part of the conversation!

The Dog Park needs to go immediately! Some one is attempting to create a bondary with mulch that dogs are covering the names trampling around the monument & installed flimsy garden fencing between the monument and the grass area used for urinating and feces by dogs which should be an area of reflection honoring WWII veterans! There's no other War Memorial in the city attend on Memorial Day with a Dirty disgusting dog park incorporated in it! The Veterans of my Fathers generation deserve better! Please have the Parks department lock the Park and I'll in trip hazard dog dug holes! Whoever keeps placing a sign atop (with their contact info and Thursday tulip gardening schedule as if to beautify the) fan flag that was placed there on Memorial Day is offensive! To infer, it's like someone spraying FABRIZE on a pile of IT!!!!!

Attached is the plan approved by the parks department.

Nice effort but 99.9% of dog parks have a double gate/entry corral for obvious reasons.

As does this one .....?

JRM

BTW thanks much for the diagram. What I meant by double gate/corral is not like a double door (two doors in plane) but two separate gates in line spaced @10' apart as part of an entrance corral or vestibule if you will. This is a standard safety put into dog park entry/exit so entering dogs don't get rushed while their owner is removing their leash and so dogs not belonging to a departing owner dhon't squeeze by the departing owner and take off. For example, Check out union street dog park and Hamden dog park on ridge road. The only reason the saint Ronan street dog park doesn't have this is because Yale (who kindly donates use of the private land) sought to minimize the amount of chain link attached to the historical cast iron fence. If you want advice about this, Robert Musco is the effective leader of the Union Street Dog Park and can share a lot of gained knowledge with you. Contact him on their FB page.

I suspect that this is on the drawing to the left of the trash enclosure but I have to agree that it is hard to make out the detail on the small drawing. The attachment doesn't open up full screen.

Frank

Maybe but if so they forgot to put in a 2ng gate on the inside. Attached is what I'm seeing in a blow up.

Oops, no I'm sorry....they're there. I highlighted them in red. Well done!

SCF doesn't allow for large attachments. But yes there is a double gate. Appreciate the sarcasm in your first response!

Some other notes for the constructors before they fabricate.
Segregation/Integration: At union street there is a separate entrance for the small dog park. There was some regret that there wasn't a connecting gate from typical do area to small dog area so that owners of small dogs in the typical area could retreat from within if they spotted lathe dogs entering.large dogs entering. This design has an internal connection trapping small dog owners.
Latches: the union street gates were getting damaged by people swinging them too far and wracking the hinges. We somewhat cured the problem by installing one way latches that we hacked with a welder. Attached is a picture of one that eventually got busted but outivedvall others by 10x. I reccomend having them swing outward so it's easier to get in after snow (one can shovel the gates path of travel before entering)

A War Memorial is a peaceful place for reflection and honoring those who served valiantly for our liberties.. Nothing worse than being disturbed by dogs barking and growling at you because you approach what they consider their immediate territory... Disgusting dogs urinate and stink up the park with their feces! When is the City of New Haven going to have enough sense to close it as a dog park! Does a lawsuit need to be filed by the VFW! The NEW HAVEN GOP! The Marine Corps LEAGUE! THE DVA!! THE LIST IS ENDLESS!!

Bye the way get someone over there from parks department THE FLAG IS STUCK AT HALF MAST!!! Further, clean up and retire the current flag to the Boy Scouts for proper honoring and replace the flags rope lastly get a light on it for night illumination!

@mathurin25...well said! You really made me think more about our veterans and the few poorly maintained memorials. Is there a way different civics classes at local schools, scout groups, people required to do community service, volunteers, etc. can have a lesson or sign up to help maintain these important places? Is there a veteran's group or parks dept. that coordinate this stuff? Any link that can be provided would be appreciated. Thanks!

Yes we need help with the flagpole , the reason why it is flying half mast is because it is stuck, and we need the proper attachments to fly the flag, but first need a cherry picker to fix the problem, Please call me 203-314-4144 Susan

M25,

This is somewhat of a moot point now because a dog park will be created at the other end of Mechanic Street. Nevertheless, you're wrong. There's only one place that we as a society, restrict our behavior to quiet contemplation of the dead and that's called a cemetery. The triangle park is tiny, but it's still a park and people are entitled to use it, as they do all over the US. (you pretty much can't throw a rock in New England without hitting a park or town green with a war memorial in it...I'm having a hard time recalling a park without one.)

Not to belabor the point, but the park predates WWII. https://tinyurl.com/m92bmp4

Theres more consideration in the public library!!! Were not discussing what it was predating WWII!!!!! IT IS NOW A WWII MEMORIAL PARK! Up until a few years ago when a very few upper State St residences with powers of influence down at town hall decided they wanted a dog park for themselves.... SHAME ON YOU AND THEM!!

M25
....right...yuo're the most patriotic guy in the room; just factually deprived.
Theres a WW1 War Memorial Hall in New Haven called Woolsey Hall. Do you know what people do there? They eat and they have music concerts.
Theres a Rev War Memorial on the East Haven Green. Do you know what people do there? Craft and music festivals and the occaisional football game by neighborhood kids.
Theres a park in East Haven literally called "Memorial Field". Do you know what people do there? They play baseball.
Theres a Civil War Memorial on the Guilford Green. Do you know what people do there? Craft fairs, music festivals and they run their dogs.
Theres a WW1 Memorial on the New Haven Green. Do you know what people do there? Just about everything.
The list goes on and on.

For all the opposition disorder people.... Guess what today is....
Its VICTORY IN EUROPE DAY Thank you WWII VETERANS!! GOD BLESS THEM!

Yes thank you veterans for fighting for our freedom. Freedom to do anything except bring a dog to this little triangular park; an instance where one might actually see and recognize the memorial.

If you two can take this outside - we would appreciate it.

Does anyone know what the planned timeline for this is?

Also, beyond the fact that the current park is exceptionally small, it's also exceptionally poorly maintained relative to other parks in the area. Owners don't seem to pick up after their dogs regularly, and the trash is often nearly overflowing. I have a dog, but I never take him here because it's much too dirty. It would be great if the community could come together to try to encourage more responsible use of the new park. The St. Ronan Park is almost always very clean and owners seem much more careful to keep it it that way.

ER,

If you'd ask those park users, you'd find that St Ronan and Union Street have the same problem but spread out so its not as noticeable. It boils down to the fact that every year, a new crop of studetns arrive who are well meaning but have never owned a dog. So there's neverending mentorship to be given to fellow park goers. And the etiquette lesson doesn't have to be confrontational. When I see someone who isn't paying attention to their dog (staring at their smart phone) I say to them, "is that your lab poohing?" or "you're dog just went" or" do you need a bag?" They always get the message and clean up. Occasionally, when I'm looking to gain some positive pooh-karma I'll walk the perimeter with a bag and pick up.

Grand opening event for the mechanic street dog park today (9/21) 5:30-7pm. Come to meet neighbors, enjoy food trucks and comments by Mayor Harp.

Super!!! Now lets see if city officials take steps to stop the use of the WWII Memorial Park and seek funding to restore the green grass, plant more bulbs, or red white and blue flowers for spring 2018! Im sure NHLT can make some suggestions even if they do not like veterans flying flags in their community gardens and expel the members for refusing not to do so! To be honest a the WWII Veterans deserve a more suitable memorial for the magnitude they have had on Free Peoples in the Worlds History! Ironic, today that Once New Havener American Patriot Nathan Hale was hung on this day September 22, 1776! What are we going to do net allow all the parks dedicated to him around town to become DOGGY PARKS so they too can poop and urine on the grounds there as well. Lets see how New Haven City officials honor the American Fighting Persons who serve our country and our way of life and are prepared to give their life in their defense!!

City won't do anything - you'll need to organize neighbors.

Park built - no longer relevant

As much as I love dogs and their owners I think it is time to move on. It’s not the dogs or the owners that are the problem it’s the dogs urine that is so much in quantity and no way to control it. Currently Corsair has close to 100 dogs and a small park cannot safely hold that amount of urine without damage to the grounds and trees. It would be nicer to have sod and more park benches so you could listen to the maharachi band at Mezcal play Santana on Thursday nights

SCF - pleas close this issue . The east rock dog park has been built.

Susan there are only 50 dogs at Corsair. The triangle park was not touched at the request of neighbors.

It would be great if the dog owners at Corsair would actually walk to the end of the street to use the dog park instead of my yard. I own the property right next to Corsair and people not only allow their dogs to pee in front of the house, a few people actually walk their dogs up my driveway to use the back yard as well. What is wrong with these people?