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I have sent a message to Mr. Cowell but also would like to hear from Cod enforcement. I would like to know what the city is planning to do about the growing problem of 5 unrelated students per house. This problem has gotten out of control in the south side district with the construction of 5 bedroom houses. If code enforcement was to investigate, I am pretty sure 80-90% of these 5 bedroom houses will have 5 unrelated students living in violation of the ordinance. We really feel the city also needs to add penalties to the ordinance. Currently there is great incentive for landlords to break the rules. We are talking 5-7K extra in rent per year.
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MamaLlama (Registered User)
Frustrated Permanent Homeowner (Guest)
Vigilante Granny (Guest)
observant neighbor (Registered User)
MamaLlama (Registered User)
I hope I didn't ruffle too many feathers. The neighborhoods Ed Froehling builds are filled with 5 bedroom homes and many are occupied by families. He is one of the few builders that builds for larger families or families who want a little more space without charging a fortune.
Sometimes frustration over lack of enforcement of existing ordinances can lead to a call for even more prohibitive ordinances. I just wanted to make sure that wasn't the case. I do wish the 4 unrelated ordinance could be enforced better. I thought the Rental Registration program would help with that.
frustrated permanent homeowner (Guest)
MamaLlama (Registered User)
Vigilante Granny (Guest)
Yes, Mama Llama, I've seen that, too.
If what I understand is true, that the landlords are perfectly aware that they are over the limit on residents, then contacting the landlord to report a residence out of code is not going to help, unless the landlord believes that the city code office will do something about it.
eyewatch (Guest)
observant neighbor (Registered User)
Frustrated Permanent Homeowner (Guest)
Finally I think we homeowners have had our fill of the City Codes being ignored and for seeing our neighborhoods being methodically demolished. I know various individuals and/or groups have spoken up about these issues but I think it's time we get organized and united and start standing up for OUR city and OUR neighborhoods. I've been told on multiple occasions by city leaders that if we don't "fight" for what's right, then of course we're going to get steamrolled by the developers...I think it's the "squeaky wheel" concept they are referring to.
Just a thought....
eyewatch (Guest)
Vigilante Granny (Guest)
Pretty easy to know who owns what. I mean for landlords who are less honest than eyewatch.
brazoscad.org will tell you how to contact the landlord.
I guess all we need now is a code office who is prepared to investigate and enforce the code.
eyewatch (Guest)
Vigilante Granny (Guest)
That's a good plan.
Let's think about what is in our power. First, we can find out who owns each of these properties and let them know that the property is being discussed on clickfix.com. Surprisingly, most landlords, however absentee they may behave, are keenly concerned that their property not become a problem in a neighborhood. Once they are aware of a problem, they may fix it themselves.
Second, we can press for the City of College Station to enforce the existing policy.
If the two previous steps prove fruitless, then we can prepare to organize as a group of homeowners ourselves, and get legal representation.
MamaLlama (Registered User)
Frustrated Permanent Home Owner (Guest)
I would also like to see the students have to abide by the same rules as we permanent homeowners do. We don't leave our trash can out on the curb for days, nor do we leave town with it sitting on the curb.
We don't park on the grass and we mow our yards.
I'm pretty sure there are codes for this stuff and that we are expected to abide by them. As long as we're going to pursue the Code Officers and City doing their jobs, let's see if we can just get everything accomplished at one time.
Ahhh....I do live in a dream world, don't it? But just maybe we CAN make a difference in our neighborhoods.
MamaLlama (Registered User)
Vigilante Granny (Guest)
Well done, MamaLlama! That would be the very thing we would need to prove out who should be in residence and who shouldn't.
And it is completely fair for us to expect the same rules to apply to everybody.
Vigilante Granny (Guest)
observant neighbor (Registered User)
ADA- CSTX (Verified Official)
There is no prohibition on building homes with more than 4 bedrooms, rather, there is a prohibition on using those homes as a residence for more than 4 unrelated individuals. We have recently received complaints regarding homes being rented to more than 4 unrelated individuals, though these seldom come with specific locations, which makes further investigation and enforcement more challenging. I anticipate stepping up our enforcement on these properties as we move toward the fall's lease-up period
eyewatch (Guest)
Vigilante Granny (Guest)
Adding penalty (Guest)
Frustrated Permanent Homeowner (Guest)
I think, as permanent residents, we, too, should start showing diligence in reporting specific addresses to Mr. Cowell and Code Enforcement, where landlords are renting to more students than allowed by the city regulations. It's easy enough to do....just count the cars in the driveway that are permanently there.
I'll get the house numbers on those student rentals from Holleman to Park Place....there's 5-6 cars in the driveways every day (the same ones).
Vigilante Granny (Guest)
eyewatch (Guest)
Vigilante Granny (Guest)
CB (Registered User)
Second on penalties (Guest)
Frustrated Permanent Homeowner (Guest)
Thank you so much for your input, SOP - what we see here in our neighborhood is 5-6 cars at the rental houses. The leasing company and/or landlord might think they are only renting to four students but do they really follow up to see how many more have moved in? It's really a Catch 22 situation, isn't it?
The responsibility lies with the leasing companies/landlords/owners to follow up and do due diligence with each of their rentals.
Permanent Homeowner (Guest)
morethan4 (Guest)
update (Guest)
Vigilante Granny (Registered User)
eyewatch (Registered User)
GreenDaisy (Registered User)
Permanent Homeowner (Guest)
update (Guest)
Acknowledged ADA- CSTX (Verified Official)
eyewatch (Registered User)
Jim Fox (Guest)
It seems that you are all as frustrated with the way the codes of this city are enforced as I myself am. This forum is a great way to let code enforcement know that we would like change so please don't stop your efforts!
I for one truly thank you all for your concern!!!
I went straight to Mayor Berry with my complaints and she led me to this forum!
Maybe if more of us would contact her directly she might make some changes to things not wanting to deal with all of the problems herself, i was taught as a child go straight to the top and i did and will again with no reluctance. if thats what it takes to get real change!!! I only see any action when I report issues, but I have at least had the code Enforcment earning their money lately and plan on keeping it that way until I see real change. I like the comment of banding together that was suggested earlier if that's what it takes to get our neighborhoods back on track count me in!!!
eyewatch (Registered User)
observant neighbor (Registered User)
I can think of several changes that might help:
1) Revise the COCS rental registration form to have it be notarized and severe financial penalties for lying. Perhaps it should also say "occupants" instead of "tenants" so they can't evade with keeping someone's name off of the lease.
2) There must be a parking spot on the property for each occupant.
3) Landlord also attests that occupants have been made aware of days / rules for trash pickup, parking codes, noise ordinances, etc.
eyewatch (Registered User)
GreenDaisy (Registered User)
Frustrated Permanent Homeowner (Guest)
AggieAlum (Registered User)
morethan4unrelated (Guest)
ADA- CSTX (Verified Official)
Currently the city is investigating several properties that we have received specific complaints of more than four unrelated individuals. On a larger scale, we have pro-actively begun putting together educational and code enforcement campaigns and tools to help raise awareness and address this issue with both residents and property owners. We acknowledge there are legitimate concerns regarding this issue and we are actively investigating each one received here on SeeClickFix. Investigating these types of cases can take quite a bit of time and resources. As soon as we have information or updates on these cases, we will post it here.
The SFC “Issues” platform is designed to streamline code enforcement, public works and other city related processes and improve the communication on the status of specific complaints. If there are larger questions about policy issues on these and other issues, there is also a questions and answer section here on SeeClickFix where these types of questions can be asked and responded to separate from the complaint or report in SeeClickFix. Thank you for taking the time to report issues to us to us here at the city. We appreciate your concern for the city and your neighborhoods.
update (Guest)
Jim Fox (Guest)
they have no plans of investigating I can almost promise you 100% Doing things correctly takes effort
Great idea though!!! If the city only had such insight.
ADA- CSTX (Verified Official)
investigating these cases can take a long time to gather information, but each cases is
thoroughly investigated.
lisa (Guest)
I was here before the students were (Guest)
What is your definition of "a long time?" Sadly, this issue is not a new one and I don't think we have seen anything resolved.
Specificially, what takes so long to investigate a case?
SWV (Registered User)
Below is copied code enforcement's posted comments on this issue from 8/23/13. Mr. Cowell's office is in charge of code enforcement. Hope this answers your questions even if it does not resolve the problem.
Code Enforcement (Phone-in Reports) (Verified Official)
Thank you for taking time to report this issue. The Officer for this address will start an investigation. Please note that we have to find evidence that there are more than four unrelated people occupying the home. Visitors are allowed as long as they are parked on an approved surface or legally parked on the street. Visitors are not considered an occupant unless they are on the lease, even if they are at the home multiple nights each week. We will post updates here as they become available.
2013-08-23 · Flag
lisa (Guest)
Once the city enacts penalties then the problem will automatically get better and code enforcement wont have to follow up so often.
morethan4unrelated (Guest)
kingjagiello (Guest)
Closed ADA- CSTX (Verified Official)
eyewatch (Guest)
Edel-Owner (Registered User)
Reopened morethan4unrelated (Guest)
on 09/12/13 the code enforcement stated "Investigating these types of cases can take quite a bit of time and resources. As soon as we have information or updates on these cases, we will post it here"
We are still waiting for update from the city on the cases that it has investigated and the larger problem in south side district of many homes with 4 unrelated.
Planning & Development Services (Registered User)
Acknowledged ADA- CSTX (Verified Official)
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GreenDaisy (Registered User)
Closed Code Support (Registered User)
GreenDaisy (Registered User)