I'm hoping we'll see physical separation re-installed once the northern section of Union is repaved & repainted?

I hope they never reinstall them. DPW can not maintain them, waste of tax payer money, inhibits street sweeping and snow removal.

If drivers could manage to pay attention and maintain their lane, they wouldn’t be needed. But alas...

What happened to share the road?

Burlingtonian, I didn't realize the notion of "sharing the road" meant that drivers could drive wherever they wanted, even in lanes dedicated for other users.

But cyclists can ride and do whatever they want on burlington's roads. Ok.

Bicycle operators have all the rights and responsibilities that motor vehicles do by law so yes, bikes can be used on the road.

And as long as "whatever they want" is within the law, yes, they can!

But they dont. They ignore the rules of the road, dont stop at stop signs or red lights, and ride against traffic. All that with no enforcement.

Yeah, there's a few scofflaw bicyclists out there that are ignorant of the rules. Correcting these behaviors require good infrastructure, like what this SeeClickFix is asking for.

You seem to arguing that it's too much to ask for drivers to stay in their lane.

Im asking that cyclists bor freak out when a car has pulled over to pick someone up from there house and are temporarily parked in the bike lane.

It doesn't matter what infrastructure is put in place people still ride against traffic, run red lights, run stop signs all over burlington. Old, young, parents, children. Its seen every day on north ave, south union, etc.

Nothing will change without enforcement. There is no accountability.

How are you blind to the fact that its not a few scofflaw cyclists? Ive lived in many cities and have never seen such a level of entitlement to ignore traffic laws.

"Im asking that cyclists bor freak out when a car has pulled over to pick someone up from there house and are temporarily parked in the bike lane."

Why can't they park in a designated parking spot, or stop in the travel lane? Why should a vulnerable user have to change lanes in a lane dedicated for them?

"It doesn't matter what infrastructure is put in place people still ride against traffic, run red lights, run stop signs all over burlington."

Sure, whatever. You're wrong, but you can believe whatever you want. Enforcement comes after we put infrastructure in place. Imagine back in the 1920's, if a driver blew through an intersection with no stop lights and got pulled over by a cop for failing to stop at the intersection?

"How are you blind to the fact that its not a few scofflaw cyclists? Ive lived in many cities and have never seen such a level of entitlement to ignore traffic laws."

I'm not blind to the few scofflaw cyclists I see. I see people who are dealing with lack of infrastructure and are afraid to be run over by drivers. Are you blind to all the bad driving you see? The entitlement just from your posts about bike infrastructure is astounding.

Why cant they park in a designated parking spot?
Because Burlington is systematically taking away parking spaces in front of residences and businesses. Don't be ignorant.

Enforcement
Yeah I'm sorry but stop signs, red lights, and bike lanes are in place yet still no enforcement. Try again.

Bad driving
Maybe Del Pozo should ask his officers to start doing their job and enforce traffic laws. Ask yourself why does no one gets a ticket for cell phone use while driving? Why are traffic laws not enforced on cyclists.
#1 poor leadership at BPD.

"Because Burlington is systematically taking away parking spaces in front of residences and businesses. Don't be ignorant."

Ridiculous. Yesterday evening by Memorial Auditorium a driver stopped in the bike lane directly in front of me, cutting me off, to drop off a passenger. The entire west side of the street is open.

"Yeah I'm sorry but stop signs, red lights, and bike lanes are in place yet still no enforcement. Try again."

Yesterday morning, a driver casually drove into the bike lane to get around a left turning vehicle at Main street and Willard, without checking in his mirror to see me literally next to him proceeding straight through the intersection. It's hard to share the road with cars when you're underneath one. A protected bike lane would have prevented this. Where was the enforcement for this illegal maneuver?

"Maybe Del Pozo should ask his officers to start doing their job and enforce traffic laws. Ask yourself why does no one gets a ticket for cell phone use while driving?"

Hey, I actually agree with you here. Drivers are casually breaking the law every minute in Burlington, from speeding, to running stop signs and red lights, to distracting themselves by driving drunk or texting, to parking where they shouldn't be.

"Why are traffic laws not enforced on cyclists. "

This is what I was getting at earlier. Because bicyclists aren't running people over and causing injury. There also isn't infrastructure that can be operated intuitively and perceived safely. Enforcement comes after people acknowledge bicycles and establish their place in the road.

I will never agree that cyclists do need enforcement cause they are a smaller vehicle. Try again. Follow the rules of the road, and as a cyclist you should be advocating that cyclists follow the rules of the road. To think cyclists are absolved from following the rules of the road is hipocracy

You would prefer that a car stop the flow of all traffic vs your ability to pass safely on the left. Unbelievable, no wonder no one respects cyclists.

A cyclists can safely operate a bicycle and follow the rules of the road with the existing infrastructure.
You are saying its ok for them to red stop signs, run red lights, and travel against traffic. Once again, unbelievable entitlement.

You're basically saying cyclists shouldnt follow the rules until I get everything I want out of a town that can not support it. Grow up.

Wasnt the last cyclist in burlington under a vehicle cited for failing to follow traffic laws, ignoring a vehicles turn signal, acting entitled to the road, and cited by police. We've argued over this.

*cyclists do NOT need enforcement

Oh and you are ignoring the facts and experiencing the consequences of burlington systematically removing the parking in front of businesses and residences. Enjoy the fruits of your labor.

Hmm. Are you replying to a different answer? I certainly didn't say that bicycles don't need enforcement because they are smaller vehicles. The scenario I described to you was me following the rules of the road and almost getting killed anyway because a driver chose to use the bike lane for convenience. Don't ignore that. Acknowledge it.

"You would prefer that a car stop the flow of all traffic vs your ability to pass safely on the left. Unbelievable, no wonder no one respects cyclists."

I don't think you fully understood what I was trying to convey. There were parking spaces open, and the driver chose the bike lane, blocking traffic and forcing me to change lanes unexpectedly. Where's the enforcement? Why do you respect a driver who cannot maintain a lane and follow road rules?

"You are saying its ok for them to red stop signs, run red lights, and travel against traffic. Once again, unbelievable entitlement."

Show me where I said that. You're quick to call me entitled. Perhaps you got some entitlement yourself?

"You're basically saying cyclists shouldnt follow the rules until I get everything I want out of a town that can not support it. Grow up."

Nah. I'm saying that enforcement is worthless until there is valid infrastructure to accompany it. Burlington cannot support everyone driving, so we should investing in alternatives, especially for short trips in town.

"Wasnt the last cyclist in burlington under a vehicle cited for failing to follow traffic laws, ignoring a vehicles turn signal, acting entitled to the road, and cited by police. We've argued over this."

Yep. We argued over the validity of that citation, where the bike lane abruptly ended and the truck turned in front of him. Bad infrastructure made an unclear case of who had Right-of-Way. Also, cited for "acting entitled to the road." That's pretty funny, since he was hit right by a "Bicyclists may use full lane" sign.

You seem to have a lot of altercations with vehicles. Do you maybe ride too aggressively and not defensively enough?

" Enforcement comes after we put infrastructure in place"
So your saying until you get what you want cyclists should not have to stop at red lights, stop signs, or travel with the flow of traffic. I'm saying they need to follow the rules of the road. You say they shouldn't have to until infrastructure is in place. I 100% disagree. Follow the rules of the road. Not doing so is entitlement without accountability.

"You seem to have a lot of altercations with vehicles. Do you maybe ride too aggressively and not defensively enough?"

I'm not sure how much more defensive I can be. When I was almost hit by the car swerving into the bike lane, I was going straight through a green light. Perhaps it was in face the car driving in the bike lane that was the aggressor?

"So your saying until you get what you want cyclists should not have to stop at red lights, stop signs, or travel with the flow of traffic."

Nah. I'm saying it's worthless to enforce laws on people who are too afraid to take the lane or leave the door zone. Give them a place and make the rules intuitive. What I want is safer roads for everyone, and I suspect you agree with me that safe roads are good.

"I'm saying they need to follow the rules of the road. You say they shouldn't have to until infrastructure is in place."

I'm saying they should do what is safest, and honestly, sometimes the safest thing to do isn't the legal thing to do. Let's fix this problem and make everything consistent. Punishing someone for doing a safe thing isn't reinforcing the behaviors we want.

Hey, as much fun as it is having a massive debate about bike infrastructure with anonymous trolls any time somebody posts about the Union St protected bike lane, maybe we could just get an update from DPW on when it will actually get fixed?

IDK. You seem ro have more altercations with drivers than seems reasonable. Do you ride looking for problems?

Intuitively you need to stop at stop signs, stop at red lights, yield to turning vehicles, and not ride against the flow of traffic. This is a waste of my time and a pointless discussion if you do not agree that cyclists should follow the rules of the road.

That guy we had a discussion once about cyclists stopping at stop signs. You were not in favor of it.

You all want respect? Advocate for your fellow cyclists to adhere to the rules of the road and maybe your fellow citizens won't look at you unfavorably.

I consider South Union fixed. Once Chapin lives out his time as DPW Director and you get Local Motion out of the public works commission, Then maybe we can see common sense return to Burlingtons Public Works.

"This is a waste of my time" - agreed... lets get back to actually talking about fixing things, rather than pointlessly debating your opinion that only folks who "follow the rules" are worthy of safe infrastructure.

So you are also in favor or cyclists running red lights, running stop signs, and riding against traffic.

Is this the behavior we should be teaching our children?

You should look up “false equivalence” in the dictionary.

You are right, our arguements are not logically equivalent. I'm asking that all individuals follow the rules of the road and be capable of sharing the road. You seem to think that cyclists dont have to. Your logic is incorrect. wish we had a police chief who enforced the rules on everyone. Even then, if enforced, there jo repercussions against cyclists.

Sorry, I’m not going to continue a discussion with someone who doesn’t have a basic understanding of logical fallacies. ✌🏻

What part do you think I don't understand?

In case you dont understand, this is what enforcement looks like:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/cdh48b/cyclist_gets_instant_justice_after_crossing/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

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