thanks. one less place to waste gas!!!! what about kingston plaza entrance?

Larry, if the City checks where cars enter Millers Lane they would see cars cutting across the sensor in the driving lane on Millers ln. entering to Lucas Ave. ,thus tripping light of contention. This hasn't been fixed since Vince DeFeo had the light installed for $35,000.00 years ago.(over 20)

I've seen maybe ten-fifteen cars total use this light to enter Millers Lane from Lucas Avenue my entire lifetime (I'm in my thirties). It's time to evaluate if we need this light at all.

Paul, Mr. DeFeo told me years ago the light was to insure his girls made it across Lucas Ave. Why not cross Lucas at the top of the hill and everyone sees everyone. I agree one less light this time would be better.

I agree.

Last year Alderman Teetsel requested a new light be installed with a turn arrow so cars could turn into Millers Lane from Lucas. The resolution passed and a traffic light was supposed to be ordered. Last I knew that was the status of that. One thing to keep in mind is that speeding is a big issue and the traffic light will slow them down (hopefully, these days I can't believe what I see happen on the roads). If most residents don't want it, sign a petition and give to to me so I can present it to the Public Saftey Committee for review.

Alderman, thanks for the heads-up.

Alderman Turco Levin is correct, the legislation for a turn signal was approved by the council. Unfotunately, there were no funds attached to that for the improvement. We are working to identify the appropriate funds in our budget to make that change.

a/o 7/21/10 still not fixed

how about a 3-way stop sign? It will slow the drag strip and kids would be seen crossing to the park area.

And still no results. Not long ago this light was set as a yellow caution light and that seemed to work very well for all directions.

its going to take 5 years to fix the light at washington and schwenk / hurley. maybe by 2030 they'll get to lucas and millers!!!

Don, that's called mass punishment, and it dosen't work. With mass punishment;
A) Law-abiding drivers (like myself) get slapped with an unnecessary stoplight for no reason other than obeying the law.
B) People who roll through stop signs find another way to disobey the law, of subvert it.

Case in point; when I was in Detroit, the city was COVERED in stop lights and stop signs. So, to anyone who didn't care, the stop light meant Yield to them. Roll-through city. This happened so many times, the police stopped giving tickets priority, because soooo many people did it and, well, it's Detroit, the Newark of the Great Lakes. DPD kinda had their hands full with crime.

The same does happen here. I've personally seen it happen (at night) in Kingston (and DEFINITELY at this intersection). We don't have enough police to enforce EVERY stop sign and light. They kinda have their hands full with Broadwa..I mean Van Bure..No, I meant dead in front of Mariner's Harbor, KHS during summer and The Kingston Hospital (and I wish I was kidding-go there now if you think i'm joking).

We could change it to a blinking yellow. Like I said previously in this post, I've personally seen only a few people use this light to turn, and I've lived here since the eighties. The light serves no immediate useful function, other than to stop traffic for nothing. The blinking lights on Greenkill Avenue have been there forever, and i've never heard of a complaint or accident. Why not at this intersection?

There is a sensor on it. It also serves to slow down the traffic coming 45 plus down Lucas Ave. when the speed limit is 35, and it also allows people to cross from the park. No one asks a light to be pulled on Albany Ave. or Broadway because no one may be going through a light when it is green for them and red for the main road. Leave the traffic light alone -- it is great!! Before I could not get out of Miller Lane because it is a blind hill coming down Lucas to Washington.

Previous comment should have said the speed limit is 30!!

There is NO sensr on the light, because it turns red on the Lucas Ave. side when there are NO CARS coming out of Millers Lane. .ALL WE ARE ASKING IS TO PUT A SENSOR ON IT.

I was looking in the backlog of this posting and it sounds like this is going to be changed from a red to a red arrow. I like the idea, but I also like Larry's idea. Any chance we can get a sensor?

And I almost forgot. Donna, you are right. I changed my mind about the blinking yellow when I looked at the hill. It IS a blind hill! I can't believe I never noticed. Thank's for the heads-up. A red arrow with a sensor should make everyone happy (hopefully).

The sensor is in the road, the problem is people taking the turn too fast swinging from Lucas on to Millers trip the sensor because they aren't staying in their own proper lane of travel. That's why it appears the light is going red on Lucas when there are no cars stopped on Millers. It's not that there is a missing sensor, it's that people are still just driving too fast. I also don't know what people are talking about when they say no one ever uses this light/turn. I have lived in this neighborhood my entire life and people use this light to turn onto Millers from Lucas all the time. Btw, I think the light also gives the elderly people living in Camelot Manor (the apartment building on the corner of Millers & Lucas) a chance to back out of their lot onto Lucas without getting blasted by someone speeding.

STILL NOT RESOLVED 03/25/11

see previous comment -- there is no problem with the sensor and it is appropriate. 3/29/11

I understand the sensor being tripped by people making a left onto Millers, but the issue can easily be resolved by making the Green to Red change quicker. If its tripped on purpose or by a left turn motorist make it only stay green for 10 seconds, because there are never more than 2-3 cars turning from Millers onto Lucas. Problem solved!!

I timed the light today --it lasts 15 SECONDS (18 seconds if you count the yellow light). IF SOMEONE IS SO IMPATIENT THAT THEY CANNOT TOLERATE A 15 SECOND RED LIGHT, they need to turn in their license and stop driving.

Two days ago I sat at the light on Millers Lane behind 4 cars and a city bus -- and guess what -- the light did not stay red long enough for me to get through it and turn onto Lucas Avenue. You do not see me repeatedly asking that the light be made to stay green longer!

I request that the City close this email string out as a non-issue!!! The light is fine and lasts a very short period of time. If you shorten it to 5 or 10 seconds, there will be accidents because drivers will try to step on the gas pedal and go 45 or 50 mph to get thru the light in time.

Patience is a virtue -- and if someone cannot have patience for 15 seconds, they have a personal problem they need to deal with.

I timed the light today and it STAYS RED FOR ONLY 15 SECONDS (18 seconds if you count the yellow light). This is actually a very short period of time. The sensor that is on the light has it last this long.

Mr. Begnal, if someone does not have the patience to sit at a red light for 15 seconds, they should turn in their license and stop driving.

I sat on Millers Lane a couple of days ago behind 3 cars and a city bus -- I was 5th in line. The light is so short that I was not able to turn left onto Lucas Ave. before the light turned red. Does that mean the light should be changed to last longer? No it does not.

If the City makes the light shorter than 15 seconds, there are going to be many accidents at the light as cars will try to go thru the light at 45 or 50 mph to get through before the traffic comes flying down over the blind hill!

This is a non-issue Mr. Begnal. I drove down Albany Avenue today and the light changed red a number of times and there was no one turned onto Albany Avenue. Does that mean we should remove all the lights from Albany Avenue? I do not think so. I think patience is a virtue and drivers need to acquire some of it instead of making this an issue for the city. There are many more things that are of more importance than sitting 15 seconds at a light on Lucas Avenue!!

Donna

Still not resolved. larry begnal