Wow! First the fun suckers (non-smokers) complain about smoking in the bar and now that we have to go outside, they complain about the noise. Some people have nothing better to do than worry about what someone else is doing.

seriously? You live next to a BAR that has been there for at least, what? 30 or 40 years and NOW you complain?

Carl Solden doesn't care about that...he prefers to sit on his hands as a lame duck. Lame 'leader' if you ask me. Coffee clutches are his forte, nothing more. How about that dual pension he will soon be receiving?

It is called unintended consequences. It is what always happens when the lamebrained ideas of the loons are adopted. Maybe you should try to outlaw bars too. In addition to reducing their business, you want them to spend more money to be the noise police too? Sounds like an unfunded mandate to me. I have a better idea. MOVE!!!

I read all these comments...Artie. I'm amazed at the response of the dip that finds it acceptable that drunks sit outside smoking and acting a fool, that I must move We all know that if he was deprived of sleep he'd be the first to cry foul. What a sap. You come on over and listen to these drunks doing burn outs at 2am. but don't complain about be awakened. Sap!
This whole area is residential, excluding the lake, and quite frankly, the bars parcel of land needs to be re-zoned as residental. Hummm, perhaps I should start a petition, approach the City Attorney, and culminate with the City Counsel. If the owner(s) fail to act it will be 'wilfull'... and may be actionable.

WHERE DO I SIGN THE REZONING PETITION??????

Then get rid of the no smoking ban and keep the activity contained to the inside of the bar. Never had this problem before.

Gee, how do we confine the burning tires and revving engines to inside the bar?

Well if they hadn't banned smoking in bars. They would be inside the building

Just send those rednecks and bimbos to Everybody's Cafe for some after hours hooch!

I moved to the area for the quiet and peaceful "lake living," away from the noise of the city. I pay a large mortgage and considerable taxes for my lakefront property. I assume that my personal "tab" adds up to more than the "bartabs" of the customers at Crescent Lake Inn. Who should be accomodating who in this town? And why can the Crescent Lakers not understand that by just toning down the noise a bit they continue their fun with no grief from the local property owners? (It would be easier than having to find a new watering hole.) Gene Vale

I really wonder how many taxpayer $$s, in the form of unemployment and social security checks, are spent there, while the rest of the neighborhood has to get up and work for a living? Just curious . . .

It has alwys been there since the 60's. How many moved in after that and thought it would just go away ? Probably should not have voted for the smoking ban as well . Duh!!!!!!1

I've been a resident by CLI for over 50yrs and I say its calmed down a lot compared to the 70s. Loud Muscle car/race cars tearing everything up. 2-3 Major crashes every WEEK! You can still see scares on some of the trees that they could not knock down. Constant power outages from poles being sheered off! Always replacing my mailbox. So often that I had a new one in the garage ready to go!
Rarely any WPD around!!!

Now we have the Bikers that have unbelievably loud pipes and RED LINE them out of that place at all hours of the night, screaming down the road!
Rarely any WPD around!!!

As far as patrons outside smoking and partying, well that's not their fault. 90% of BAR patrons smoke. 90% of restaurant patrons don't smoke. Repeal the Law and let them back in the Bar where they belong!
Again, Rarely any WPD around!!!

VOTE NO on there new Taxes! They built those Massive buildings and had to hire more people (friends) to fill them!
Deal with what you have WPD! Our taxes are to high now!
I remember those Stealth (tax increase) Elections! WTF

WaTerFord-Resident

Sec. 11-167. Disturbing the peace.
It is a violation of this code for any person to disturb the public peace and quiet by shouting, shistling,engaging in loud, boisterous or vulgar conduct, or by the playing of disc or tape players, radios, television or any other means of amplificaion at a time and place so as to unreasonably annoy or disturb the quiet, comfort and repose of persons in the vicinity.
STATE LAW References: Disturbing public places, MCL 750.170.MSA 28.367
Maybe someone should file a lawsuit??? This was found on the Waterford Township Website.......

I believe its also a violation of the Michigan Liquor Control Commission licensing guidelines. Any attorneys in the neighborhood? Who and how do we notify appropriate officials, officials who actually care and can help?

I agree with many, the smoking ban did a lot of damage to bars. Not being able to smoke inside the bar obviously meant that they were going to have to go somewhere to smoke. So, many bars created a spot for the smokers and if that means people are gathering outside the bar whose fault is it?? The bar, or the ones that voted for the smoking ban??? I believe that the bars/restaurants should have had the right to decide for themselves. If you don't like to smell like smoke from being at a bar then vote that there be smoking bars and non smoking bars that way the owners have the right to choose.

Seems like the waterford fat cops would address this issue, instead of patrolling Tim Hortons parking lot. And they wonder why Watertucky sucks.

hard to believe so many buy a house next to a pig farm when they cant stand the smell so the smell must go. DUH

Wow, that was intelligent!

What a joke, Move NEXT to THE bar,, then complain about it.

BUCH OF MORANS

let the drunks smoke outside, if law was not passed making bar smoke free , then they would be smoking inside

Um.... What else would you expect- Its a BAR. If this is such a problem for that neighborhood, why would you move there? I personally like it and I moved close to Crescent Lake Inn because I enjoy that place. I agree about the drunken motorists, however..... I am within crawling distance so I dont drive drunk personally. :-) If people do not like living next to a loud weekend hot spot, then MOVE.

I say the houses near the bar should have lawn chairs available in their yards for us drunks to sleep in after a hard night of drinking. And in the morning when you see one of us sleeping in your yard, you should be required to bring us out some bacon and eggs with lightly toasted rye bread.

Here Here ::) Steelar Idea !!!!!!!!!!

Joey G is right on!

Where else are the people of walmart going to go so that they can relax and enjoy som beers. leave cli alone!

All the people complaining about CLI need to realize it was here before they were. Oh, and now their houses are worth nothing too. Cheers!

Another CI drunk heard from.

Yeah, those drunks must be a hand full. I moved by DTE and they have the nerve to play concerts. Some peoples' kids.

Stop whining.