There is no real reason they have to blast as steady as they do.
There is noise laws in place and for some reason these trains ignore them especially from 4a.m. till about 8a.m..I myself think its spite and CSX is gonna blast as hard as they want because they can .The steady blasting is outragious and why the are allowed is really out of control.Maybe the whole area should throw a law suit their way for the constant blasting.We all can live with a slight blast BUT THIS HASNT BEEN THE CASE FOR YEARS.
We live in Saugerties and not even close to tracks and in private woods and boy oh boy we hear it as well ......The county and people need to come together and force a change..funny how if ya have a party and it goes on after 10p.m. the noise level has to be trimmed down ok we got it ,,,but people are sleeping from 9p.m. through the night ...we got it ....but trains blast repeatedly ...through the night ...
The areas need to come together...

I support your complaint about the loud horn noise, the people sitting in the seat and holding the button down as they go Thur the crossings have no idea how loud the noise is, why are the politicians just turning their backs on this problem!

Well what CSX didn't tell you is to contact the town. The Town of Ulster is a decent town and will help you in any way they can. You need to gather your neighbors and attend the next town meeting. Kingston was considering making the city a quiet zone a few years ago for the same reason. I am almost 100% sure the city found funding for it and CSX would have been responsible for the difference. But who knows why they didn't. Maybe the Mayor has one of his special deals with them. They would have to block the tracks in a different way with new barriers, it's an expensive project. I used to live by the same tracks and it seemed to be specific people who lay on the button at any hour. I noticed it started just after one of their crews got in trouble for just stopping their train for coffee one afternoon. Thanks for that one guys, I was late for work that day. They are from what I was able to find out required to blow the horns 3 times before entering a crossing but it almost seems like someone is trying to settle a score. I really don't think CSX is telling this person to do it. It's real cure for it is way too expensive for them. It would go well into the millions.

I've lived near the tracks for some time. I find it some what funny that everybody is complaining about the horn blasting. If they didn't warn people by blowing the horn, you would all be complaining about the train hit someone. There has been quit a few people that have been hit by the trains in the area, some intentional. Lets get ride of the trains and you'll see 100 times tractor tailor traffic. The tracks were there when you bought your house. Its like by a house by the fire department and complaining about the siren.

One thing I would like to know is who exactly is responsible for enforcement of local sound ordinances, should they be enacted here but MOST IMPORTANTLY, who is responsible for speed enforcement. I live near these tracks myself and I have seen these trains moving at speeds that could not be within any reasonable speed regulation. If so, it needs to be changed somehow.

In order to make to make the changes that your suggesting,you would need to contact CSX directly,the local authorities can't make the changes.

I agree SOME of the CSX operators do like to blatently blow horns for excessive lengths of time. i work near the rail road in lake katrine so i have eye witnessed this several times a week. you get the train operator with the good engine the extra loud good working horn and they like to play blast the horn. what needs to be done is regulate the decibles of out-put on their horns and apply an automatic time limit on each blow of the horn for normal circumstances. there is always going to be that guy who ruins all the fun for everyone. so csx i think its time to change and regulate your warning systems applications and abuse! get control of the abusive operators who like to try to be funny and blast horns excessively for no reason but to pleasure themself. we want quality of life in our communities!

I live right in lake katrine right next to the tracks. there is a mobile home park right next to them on leggs mills rd and at all hours of the night it seems like they lay on the horn as soon as they see it. I believe they are supposed to blow three short blasts at crossings with a gate. PLEASE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hinchey, his flunky intern, or his drunk wife has nothing to do with this. Nor does CSX. The horns have been in effect since the trains were moving in the mid-nineteenth century. I took the Durango-Silverton steam train, and learned that the horn is truly a signal. This, from the Union Pacific website:
(= is for long sounds, 0 is for short sounds)

= = o =

Train is approaching public crossings at grade with engine in front. Signal starts not less than 15 seconds but not more than 20 seconds before reaching the crossing. If movement is 45 mph or greater, signal starts at or about the crossing sign, but not more than 1/4 mile before the crossing if there is no sign. Signal is prolonged or repeated until the engine completely occupies the crossing(s).

In addition, this signal is used when approaching private crossings if pedestrians or motor vehicles are at or near the crossing. (In the states of California, Idaho and Montana, the whistle is sounded at all crossings, public and private.)

Sorry folks - CSX isn't going to change the railroad industry for a town. Asking Hinchey's office to mail you information that doesn't exist is unfair. Of course CSX is going to tell you to "bugger off". This isn't their decision, either. It's the industry standard across the nation.

For more signals: http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/funfacts/signals.shtml

I live near the tracks, too (probably everyone in a river town does) and hear them as well. I guess I've gotten used to it over the years, but once I learned the signals, it's actually kind of cool to know what they're doing. My parents live on W. O'Reilly Street - pretty much right next to the tracks. They don't hear a thing because the horn isn't blowing near any crossing. As another poster wrote, the trains and tracks were here long before you bought your house.

BTW, here's more from the website:

On April 27, 2005, the Federal Railroad Administration (FRA), which enforces rail safety regulations, published the Final Rule on the Use of Locomotive Horns at Highway-Rail Grade Crossings. Effective June 24, 2005, the Final Rule requires that locomotive horns be sounded at all public grade crossings 15-20 seconds before entering a crossing, but not more than one-quarter mile in advance.

The pattern for blowing the horn remains two long, one short, and one long sounding to be repeated as necessary until the locomotive clears the crossing. Locomotive engineers will retain the authority to vary this pattern as necessary for crossings in close proximity and will be allowed to sound the horn in emergency situations.

A ban on locomotive horns in Florida was ordered removed by the FRA after it was shown that the accident rate doubled during the ban. The new Final Rule preempts any state or local laws regarding the use of the train horn at public crossings. The Final Rule also provides public authorities the option to maintain and/or establish quiet zones provided certain supplemental or alternative safety measures are in place and the crossing accident rate meets FRA standards. Read more about the FRA Rule on the Use of Locomotive Horns.

move near a train track..deal with it...without trains the price of basic goods would skyrocket.... find something to do with your time...ear plugs....i highly doubt it...

my god, really, i grew up in midtown right next to the train, you get used to it. this area is filled with whiners, complainers, and losers.

that is interesting to know Dee, however I have experienced a train laying on the horn from one crossing to the other (crossing in lake katrine and one near quik check) and it doesent matter what direction they are going . I have also witnessed the horn blows you speak of and it is not annoying when done properly.

It is amazing how people refuse to acknowledge that the horn is a safety measure. maybe if gates where installed at all crossings less horn noise is needed.

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hear hear I totally agree with k town, and someone else commented about gates. I don't think there is a crossing in Kingston that doesn't have a gate. and isn't it trespassing to be walking on the tracks so in my opinion if your trespassing and you get hit by a train ......kind of serves you right for breaking the law and if you are crossing the tracks when the gates are down the same applies stupid is as stupid does.

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I live down the street from Dietz stadium and the trains horn wakes me up with my windows closed!

I should be more detailed, it is not the horn that bothers me it is how often and how long it goes on for. it has changed over the last 8 years.
its like the horn is the conductors personality, some times its right on time and short and other times it is loud and really, really long.
the really, really long horn blowing does not make sense to me, it has no pattern.

All you complainers just need to take the advice of Dee & her fans, and just move already! It can't be that difficult to walk away from your mortgage or come up with another security deposit; can it Dee? The choo-choo's were here first after all.

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I see how this works. Dee uses a proxy server and keeps clicking the report button on any post that points out their lack of integrity. Your little site is a joke. I happen to know a lot more about the subject than most so naturally my posts would be deleted. Hum I see the media bias is here too.

Yep, you allow this Dee to attack but you can't handle people backing each other up. This "blog" clearly serves no purpose.

K-town Tech Guru, What you see is an attempt to control the message. Dee has proven themselves to be a liar with zero integrity. It's clear what the slant of the blog it. Typical leftism.

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Horns from trains are a Federal Law. Doubt that will ever get changed. RR was built in 1850s. Should have considered that when you chose your residence.

JD is wrong. The horn doesn't need to be attached to the train.
And, it has gotten much worse in the last 5 years, perhaps AFTER you "chose a residence".

There is a simple solution other communities in NY have used to abate CSX complete disregard for the communities they operate in.
I think it's time to initiate it here.

Install a system (at CSX expense) that automatically blows short blasts of a horn, directed down the track in the direction the train is travelling, at a regulated decibel level, when the train is approaching an intersection.

Federal law requires a horn be sounded 4 times before passing through crossings. Often these horns are blown up to 10 times. At least make sounding the horn more than 4 a fine if no danger is present.

Also, I've noticed that the worst of it happens when they are switching or whatever they're doing when there are two sets of tracks. They blow the horns over and over and you can hear that the trains are barely moving or not moving at all. This use of the horn should be banned completely. I'm pretty sure they can use an alternative technology instead of using the horns to signal each other. Of course all of these types of movements happen in the dead of night.

The only way to get the ball rolling is having data. Information is power. Everyone with a noise issue should record the horn blasts that exceed the 4 through the intersection required by law. Keep a logbook with it. In six months the abuse wil be obvious. This information can then be submitted as evidence for the record at your local govt. meetings. Enough of this and some young politician will hopefully take the lead.

Railroads of CSX's size are interstate commisioned companies that provide a vaulable service to the economy of the United States. Provisions under the National Rail Act state that Class 1 Railroads only have to meet Federal Laws. State, County, and Municiple laws have no jurisdition when the concern how a railroad operates on its propery. Horns, speed of trains, etc are mandadted by the FRA (Federal Railroad Administration).

One solution is to have a "Quiet Zones" installed. A quiet zone is allowed only when every road crossing has been modified to not allow cars to get around the gates in any direction when a train is apporaching. Most of expense for this work is paid for by local, county or state funds due to the fact that the horn is a basic safety measure mandated by the FRA. All request for quiet zones have to also be approved by the Railroad and the Federal Railroad Administrarion. The FRA has denied "quiet zones" in the past for safety reasons even when the railroad has supported the idea. In addition, horns have to be blown at tresspassers and other CSX employess working along the tracks which I am sure make the problem seem worse.

My initial post was to suggest the CSX install a warning technology that limits the horn blasts because I assumed that horn blasts are considered the most effective way of ensuring the safety of crossing motorists and pedestrians. I've since read about "Quiet Zones" and although they are an alternative, not many consider it a safe alternative to using horns. I believe that the horn noise has increased over the years and it doesn't seem to be just a factor of more frequent trains - it appears that the horn blasts are louder and more frequent. (I've also heard complaints of train speeding from people that work next to the tracks and I'm sure that adds to the noise level in general but in my opinion is secondary to the noise level of the horns) If the engineers (or automatic triggers) always used a standard horn blast pattern (e.g. --o-) along with the minimum (96 decibel) level then that would certainly be a step in the right direction. Also, it seems that horns could be directed (as "voice of reason" points out) to the affected area. I don't know how effective this is (both from a safety and noise pollution perspective) but it seems to be worth pursuing.

Yes JD, railroads are regulated by the FRA. Crossing required horn use is 4 blasts at 96 decibels. That is the only horn noise we should hear.

It is no longer 1850. The engineers don't need to use their stylized signaling so we all know who it is. The townfolk don't show up to greet the train as it delivers critically needed supplies to the town. Trains are not the primary means by which goods get to our area, or most areas, yet tracks run through the middle of almost every small city in the US.

Times have changed, and it seems time for a change in the way we approach noise pollution from this industry. The quiet zone boxes are cost prohibitive, which is why they are rarely used. The remaining alternative seems to be the most reasonable, giving a balance between the needs of the community, and the larger national need for thriving commerce.

Install an automated device to meet the requirement. It seems to me that the only thing we're really asking is for their engineers to stop using their horns and fulfill their boyish needs another way. No other industry gets to affect the quality of living for so many, without having to answer to the people of affected communities.

With CSX having gotten criticism for blocking all the intersections in town for the better part of an hour a few years ago (the Dunkin Donuts flap), one might think that we're being punished...

Ya know at times it is obvious that the blasting is intentional...
The public is under a noise control ordinace and this nasty situation is no different .
Tracks a re meant for trains and when people cross the line lets say to beat the train .or kill themselves then thats what happens. No human belongs on the tracks period.
CSX doesnt care and doesnt do anything about their operators and as taxpayers we simply have the right to peace and quiet.We all know why they beep BUT IT IS OUT OF CONTROL PERIOD

ELEISE,
THE HORN TOOTING IS TO ALERT PEOPLE OF THE ONCOMING TRAIN... WHEN A TRAIN HITS SOMETHING OR SOMEONE IT PUT A LOT OF DEVASTATION ON THE ENGINEER.
I CAN ASSUME YOU HAVE NOT HAD THAT HAPPEN TO YOU OTHERWISE YOU WOULD NOT BE COMPLAINING NOW.

oh please we all are AWARE of the meaning and how it is and how it works
IT DOES NOT ALLOW THEM TO A CONTINUOUD BLASTS ,BLASTS BLASTS AND SOME VERY LONG BLASTS
ESPECIALLY WELL INTO THE NIGHT
Public has to abide by noise ordinace control and CSX is way out of control and the publics feelings should be taken in account to when they do and knowingly lay on the horn for 30-45 seconds we the people arent complaining because were bored we also have rights .People live away from tracks yes AWAY and the pounding can be heard for MILES yes MILES .They have increased and this is WHY THE PUBLIC IS COMPLAINING.....

IF THE HORN BLASTS UPSET YOU MOVE THE TRAINS WERE THERE FIRST.

Annie , my guess is that you don't live near the tracks. I unfortunately have to. believe me if it were as simple as that i would leave ...... hey here's an idea , how about you give me the cash to relocate then i would stop complaining about the train that lays on its horn when it sees the residences that are twenty ft. from the tracks.

I do plan on video taping one of their horn blowing sessions. and when i do i will upload it to youtube .

How nice !
Considering your previous statements there isnt any sense in continuing on with your kind.

Ulster Johnny
You cant reach this kind of people it is best to ignore her.Click Fix is what it states A FIX and the light isnt on for her

what part of telling someone to to butt out deserves getting it removed. all i asked was what stake did she have in the trains to tell other people to move away.

eleise, I agree with you.They have removed two of my comments so far. just for telling someone to butt out.

make that three!

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Hold on to your ears. I just read a Daily Freeman article that stated an allowance had been granted for trains to go faster (+5-7 mph?) than they do today apparently to decrease the time one has to wait at the crossings. The article mentioned that approximately 35 trains go through this area DAILY. Seems to me that number is going to increase ... so much for quality of life in Kingston. Seems to me there are options to reduce the noise - some more expensive than others for sure - just need someone with influence that cares ...

There seems that there is only money for rail trails projects and not quality of life issues like nose reduction from the trains.

The increase of noise (in general) over the years is becoming a strong factor in causing me to want to move out of the area. 20+ years ago, Kingston was relatively quiet. Not any more though and I don't think noise is a necessary evil resulting from growth. It's a matter of our elected official's priorities.

Did you happen to get any where with CSX? I live in Smyrna, GA- and the train tracks are right across the street from our home- and for the past 6 months the noise has become excruciatingly painful. I have called, e-mailed, called etc. I reached out to my city councilman- and he basically said we needed to call CSX and plant trees. The noise has gotten worse during this time because the train is now aloud to piggy back- putting pressure on the track- and they seem to be going faster and faster.

I am told by CSX there is a curve which is causing this- YES, but the curve was there 6 months ago when the train was not screaching like finger nails on a chalk board.

Folks hearing has been lost. property will not sel nor rent- which I would point to the train noise. CSX needs to be accountable. Let's video tape the noise and blast it in the backyard of the CSX president- and maybe they would get the point.

-Maggie

I agree something has to be done, if you ask a politician to look into it they just yes you to death, look at all the citizen it is affecting an lost of sleep, you talk about a quality of life issue, OK politicians do something please.

Sadly enough, everyone just needs to accept this nuisance because the reality is nobody will do a damn thing about it. Local politicians are too busy posturing, and frankly are too inept to even have a sit-down with CSX. All anyone needs to do is approach CSX and simply ask them to cease carrying out their local railyard op's in the middle of the freaking night. Any reasonable citizen acknowledges the fact that horns must be sounded when a train paases through populated areas, but someone needs to revisit the procedure of moving engines back and forth at a snail's pace through the crossings from Flatbush to Smith Ave's in the wee hours of the morning. Resolving this part of the problem will go a long way in reducing the noise. Or, you can all follow my lead and get outta Kingston. Two more months for me and counting!

I have not gotten anywhere with CSX , I have since moved far from the train tracks to another county entirely. I feel for anyone that has to endure those damn trains. I never realized how badly it affected my sleep until we moved away. my daughter also used to suffer what we thought were night terrors they too have gone away....cant help but think that it was also the trains causing it.

I basically did not get anywhere with this issue and have left it open because it (the noise) still is a problem. I tend to doubt that this application (SeeClickFix) is monitored by Kingston or Ulster officials as I never received any response from anyone 'official' except for a call from a CSX representative. CSX stated that they have state (there may be other jurisdictions as well) guidelines they must follow and that unless Kingston establishes a 'safe zone', the warning horns are required. I was looking for a solution that utilized horns that directed their sound to the immediate areas in front of the train and not the whole county. Either such technology doesn't exist or is cost prohibitive but no one seems to be interested in even pursuing the idea. I agree that this whole issue is exacerbated by the apparent increased volume of trains. If it was a matter of just one or two trains a day then I doubt this would be an issue. The constant trains at 2:30AM are certainly problematic. I get that freight train transportation is necessary and is a better transportation option than trucking the same freight. It may be idealistic, but it seems to me that with the right concern and focus, we could still take advantage of freight train transportation and live in a community that is able to control its own noise pollution. Right now our only control is to keep our windows shut and even then, you still hear the horns....

Well people its like this- I wrote 3 letters regarding EXCESSIVE HORN BLASTING and traffic concerns, especially after waiting 55 minute for a train to switch tracks/ The 4th letter I wrote was real nasty and requested THE C.E.O. , C.FO., SENIOR V.PRESIDENTS PERSONEL ADDRESSES. I simply stated that I wanted to park my dump truck in their driveways and blast my air horns. (I am no fool I never threatened physical harm or vandalism) So three days later I hear a knock on my door and its the RAILROAD POLICE AND A DEPUTY SHERIFF. I soon learned that I made it to level 3 on the TSA TERROR WATCH LIST. I KNOW THE LAW AND I threatened no one or no thing of the railroad. He first acted like a dick saying he could go get a warrant for terroristic threats., I told him I threatened to blow a horn and you call that a felony.I defused the situation with an apology , So moral of the story ," watch what you say to these folks.

I believe the best place to voice concerns is with our Kingston elected officials.CSX is ( supposedly) complying with state/local regulations and it is up to the city to ensure their compliance. Unless bypasses are constructed and/or crossings declared as "safe zones" then CSX will continue to use their horn blasting at each of the 5? crossings. And, we now know that there are approximately 50 trains p/day that go through these crossings. I have not seen (in the whole time this issue has been opened ( over a year) one response/comment from an elected official. So much for the effectiveness of this venue I guess...
Signed. Stillusingearplugs😕

I know that it is for safety reasons that the trains need to blow their horns at crossings but it seems lately it’s been excessive. I live in Barkley Heights in Saugerties and I’ve noticed that there seems to be much more train traffic all hours of the night and morning and they are laying on the horns way too much which is not nessary. I have lived here for 10 years and this has never bothered me before until now. I am loosing sleep because of this. Please something needs to be done...thanks

I see the debate over train horns is split quite down the middle. I do see both points of view, however for those who say.."live near the tracks, what do you expect". Perhaps they sung understand that it is only within the past year and a half that CSX has started blowing their horns at ALL crossings. Ever since they installed an automated system and programmed it to include all private crossings as well. Previously, the horn was only sounded at PUBLIC grade crossings. Many of these private grade crossings are out in the middle of nowhere. Having lived right across the street from 3 private crossings for close to 20 years without those trains blowing their horns unless the occasional trains passing in opposite directions, I know all too well how awful it can be. I knew the tracks were there when I moved in, didn't have a problem with the trains, was used to them. But when they started blowing at 3 am, laying on the horn a good five minutes away, coming closer and louder, to pass in front of the house with the decibel level seemingly at ear shattering levels, then letting up only when the engine is a mile or two away.... Well that was more than I could tolerate. The state government was and is unwilling to do anything to fix it. Even though, the reason why the horn is sounded at all crossings now is directly due to an antiquated law on New York's books. The legislature simply needs to change one word and this problem goes away. They aren't willing to they say out of safety, yet there has NOT been one accident involving these private crossings. At the very very least, they could control the volume, frequency, consistency and duration of these blaring horns.

The sarcastic answer to don't buy a home near the track is just that, sarcastic. I purchase a real fixer-upper or should I say tearer downer on the river in Highland, New York ten years ago. I worked on it seven days a week for two years spending over 1/4 of a million dollars just in remodeling cost. During that time and for the next 6 years they hardly ever blew the horn. For the past 18 mo. it is none stop. The same crossing has been there forever. The only change is the owner who lives 25 miles away won a lawsuit for CSX to blacktop the right of way to get to this abandon crane. Get this, you would have to walk a thousand feet or so down the tracks or jump off a 16'-0 high retaining wall to get to it. Half the residents are over 60 and now these bullies are destroying our peaceful lives. Planned on spending the rest of our lives hear now can,t wait to sell. If the realtor can show hose between whistle blows.

House

I’ve left this issue opened because the noise just doesn’t abate. My wife & I live a few miles from the Kingston crossings and still cannot have our house’s windows opened at night without using earplugs to avoid being awakened by 2:00 AM CSX trains. I understand your frustration. The overall noise level (planes, helicopters, trains, thruway traffic) did get better during the height of Covid-19 but has since roared back. There are no easy solutions when we live in an area that tolerates noise. With today’s technology, I’m still amazed that tens of thousands of people ( not affected ) get notified whenever a train crosses a roadway or even when there’s a fire. There’s a lot to enjoy and appreciate in this area for sure...noise isn’t one of them.