They don't have this problem in Texas. ;)

I totally agree. My parents live on an acreage outside of pa and they have snowmobilers constantly on their property. They have also had snowmobilers run into their mailbox atleast 3 times while snowmobiling at night. Please be respectful to other peoples property! I also live in town directly across from Miller Hill park which is connected to the Berezowski school playground and there are many people on quads and snowmobiles that go through the park! Just because we are on the edge of town does not mean that you should be racing through a park where tons of children play and go sliding on the hill.

i too live about 6 miles east of the city on hwy 302 we have land that is marked private keep out. yesterday a bunch of snowmobilers drove past my kitchen window! what the heck do they think they are doing? Well lets all go to the city and trespass in their yards how long would that last??? Cops would be on our but immediately well same goes for out here guys!!!!!! HAVE SOME RESPECT FOR US JUST BECAUSE THERE IS NO FENCES DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO RIDE ANYWHERE YOU LIKE................... THE RCMP WILL BE PATROLLING AND GIVING OUT FINES IF CAUGHT AND WE ARE WATCHING FOR YOU.

vlasic, your funny :) and zeke! i would love to know who you are!! i am from out in the area!! it would be nice if a bunch of the people from out in the east area of town could get together and try to find a soloution or find out who these people are :)the more people out here come together as a community the faster we can try to put a stop to people disrespecting our property by tramping all over it with ATVs and snowmobiles (which i have no problem with if permission is asked or if they are used properly) and people dumpin furniture, household appliances and garbage all over the ditches.

for you who thinks we should do something about this send me and email with your phone number and i will call you.
don922@sasktel.net

I love to ride my sled. Respect is needed but a couple things if you have livestock like you are talking about that is prob a fenced area so how wouuld riders get in? If the cut the fence that is a bigger issue then the sled riding. If it is an open field (not your home section with your home and yard) but a open unfenced field how am I to know who owns that said field and what harm is really happening? Yards and livestock areas sure stay out but an open field I dont get the issue.

for you who replied to me i don't have the livestock that is someone else, but when you ride do you obey the signs? i have land with signs posted and i look out my kitchen window and there are 5-6 skidoos blowing by my house! that annoys me. we don't go into the city doing donuts on peoples lawns. Permission could be asked to ride that would be more respectful and you know what i am sure we would say sure. thanks for the respect.

the harm with lovestock is not riding in where they are fences but some animals are scared of loud noises, like the loud of over 15 sleds ripping by, and it its un-fenced but posted the property is usually owned by the person whos house is closest, zip in and ask them, if its rented they will tell you who to ask and where they live or give you a contact number. some farmers may have winter wheat on their feild and the tracks can damage their crop, even if its under the snow. if not, i doubt they would have a problem asking, i know most of my neighbors probably wouldnt care as long as someone asked them first. people out my are are usually quite nice about things like this if people treat them with respect

Really!?! My god can't anyone have any fun anymore! What is it hurting and don't use the cattle reason cause that is bull. Pretty soon if everyone (none sled rider) has it there way there will be no where to ride a sled! Get over it and enjoy winter for the 5 months its here and BYE A SLED you might actually enjoy yourself!!!!

People on snowmobiles: You DO NOT have the right to travel across someone's land. I repeat, it iS NOT YOUR RIGHT. You have trails to drive on so use them. I don't have this problem but I am tired of hearing people talk about a bunch of D-Bags ont their sleds ripping across someones PROPERTY. THEY OWN THAT LAND, therefore, YOU NEED PERMISSION TO CROSS. You pay for your trails so use them.

If you dont want to use the trails that are provided for snowmobiles then buy your own land and snowmobile on it. You have no idea whats on someones property and what damage you could be causing by snowmobiling over it. Especially for the snowmobilers who go right near peoples houses. There could be children playing in the yard and if your going fast enough then you might not see them in time. My brother was almost killed by a snowmobile. After a month in the hospital he finally got out but it took him a long time to recover. Also what if they have things stored on their land that are covered with snow? or what if you dont see a barbed wire fence.... The amounts of injuries caused by snowmobiling on unfamiliar territory is ridiculous. Snowmobiling is a great past time and lot of fun but be responsible and go ont he trails provided.

excuse me Stacey if you have a sled and want to ride then buy some land and ride your heart out. But stay off PRIVATE Property. Where do you live we will come ride on your lawn. How is that for FUN!

I find it very sad that I post a comment on here that was very valid and non threatening, yet someone finds it inappropriate and deletes it, because it was for sleds not against.

Everytime there is a comment posted on here i get an email saying what the comment was. Bob I never received one for your comment. Could it have been a glitch in the system? If not then the person who put it as inappropriate just because its a difference of opinion was wrong. Everyone is intitled to their own opinion and just because they dont match doesnt mean that they are wrong.

First of all, if livestock are scared of sleds, how do they deal with the noisey tractors, combines and farm equipment during harvest, which is 24/7 not just the couple minutes it takes to get through the field, it must drive them crazy enough to abbort their babies all summer long! Secondly, people DO walk through yards in town, ALL THE TIME! That's why there fences are put up. And as for mailboxes, cars, snowplows, and quads knock them over, chances are snowplows more then anything, ours has been taken down alot of times. Most smart people put reflectors on their mailboxes, just saying. And as someone who sleds, has livestock, and lives out of town, we are smart enough to watch for fences, its the easiest way to die on a sled, I have also put up fences for lazy people who let theirs go to @#$% to avoid other people running into them, and people do have the decensy to stay out of fields that are fenced, I also know that there are fields out there that people in Alberta own! So how are you suposed to sled up their drive-way and ask for permission. If it says keep out WHERE YOU CANS SEE IT AT ALL ENTERANCES OF THE FIELD then we stay out, common sense. Most people put on tiny little snow filled sign in one corner, how would that do ANY good! Just saying!

My parents mailbox actually have three reflectors on both sides and yet they still manage to run into it.

Stacy and bob, I will send you two the bill to share if a sled scared one of my pregnant cattle and they slip and have a miscarrage or we have to put down the cow because the injury is serious. My cattle know when they hear the tractor, its feeding time. So stop with the nonsense. Maybe ill have to come skidoo on your front lawns to see how you like it!!!!

It costs money to feed cattle and they are some peoples means of survival. If that's the attitude you have, I sincerely hope that the next time your snowmobiling on posted unfenced property you happen to run over a set of harrows. Maybe that's what it will take for you to learn you can just go where you please just cause your not in city limits.

first of all the ditches along roads are not your property, so maybe your mail box is in the wrong place, and if a sled hit it you can be sure there was a lot of damage to the sled as well if that makes you feel any beter. if you live close to a road as most people do oh well because you put up with noisy trucks cars ALL YEAR long, burn outs and drag racing on the highways it seems very easy for every one to have opinions here with no names maybe not so easy face to face????

The mailbox is on the side of the driveway before the ditch starts. Also just because you live in the country does not mean you live close to a highway. Most people who live on an acreage live on gravel roads which are far more quieter than highways. Also living near a highway and hearing traffic is alot different than hearing a bunch of snowmobiles roaring right beneath your window.

Here's to "Annoyed"

1st of all -- cattle are NOT scared of skidoos because skiodoos are NOT close enough unless the skidoo is IN the pasture.

2nd of all I LIVE ON AN ACREAGE and I could care less if people are out enjoying themselves on there skidoos - not hurting ANYTHING in my opinion unless they are running over trees.

and to ZEKE -- hey - I live on an acreage and I actually don't own a sled and I think it's great people are still out having some fun I think you guys all need a little more happiness in your lives - go to your dealership today!

The point is, you are on a snowmobile, in a field.... YOU DO NOT OWN THAT PROPERTY THEREFORE IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO GET PERMISSION TO CROSS IT.
POSTED OR NOT, YOU DO NOT OWN THAT LAND. God, you snowmobilers on here are dense.
There is A LAW AGAINST IT. YOU WILL BE CHARGED! The good thing is snowmobiles have license plates making it easier to track them.
Stay on your trails that is what they are for.

so what happens when some one has live stock right beside, like 20 feet from a trail what about that? do you not have any thing better to complain about in life other than this you have a really good life enjoy it i envey you. maybe if you posted your name these people would stay away from you just a idea? thanks for hearing my rant.

stacy, you have NO IDEA! cattle will sit by a fence, which is along a DITCH! and YES cattle CAN be scared of skidoos, so unless you have them and know what raising them is like and what different cattle react to, PLEASE keep your mouth shut about that. and there IS problems with going in on feilds that are posted. THERE COULD BE WINTER CROPS IN, which are FAR MORE expensive then regular crops which are high enough. If you dont care, WHY are you even posting? where do you live? Ill send all the people who are bothering those who live in MY neighborhood to your house to sled in your feilds.

The cattle thing is just a possibility. ONCE AGAIN PEOPLE. THE POINT IS STAY OFF LAND THAT IS NOT YOURS.

"you have NO IDEA! cattle will sit by a fence, which is along a DITCH! and YES cattle CAN be scared of skidoos"

This quote shows you sir are the one that has no idea. You just said they will sit by a fence right by the ditch. Well This same ditch is where you are now wanting us to ride. So guess what your cattle according to you will still be scared when we ride by. Now whats your plan ban sleds from ditches because they may make noise near a fence? I live in the city close enough to the edge to hear the sleds run. I LOVE THE SOUND OF A SLED. Sounds to me like being atthe lake.

no, but have some respect for the fact that they are there! there is a ditch on each side of the road, and you dont have to go all out when driving by them. Then again Im starting to think that the only people who drive snowmobiles out here respectfully are those who have grown up out of town or live out here and know their neighbors. I have been out here for over 20 years and I never EVER drive in the ditch on the same side, or into my neighbors properties without asking. The RCMP made a statement on the radio yesterday about this being a BIG problem. They will be out and looking, and TRUST ME, If ANYONE Is seen you will be reported and WHEN, not IF, you are caught, you will be the ones getting charged!

Annoyed the RCMP are saying this and they will be out but here is the thing. I am not condioning this behaviour but sleds are pretty much hard to ID. you cant see the plate they get snow covered real fast. So you can ID them by saying it was a yellow and blick ski-doo well there are only like 500 of them out there. Not saying this is right or proper but the guys that run them crazy know chances of actually being caught are pretty low. RCMP in truck or car guy on sled punches it accross the field and is gone. You try finding where he comes out and that it is him 20 miles down the road on a stock sled with a generic black outfit. That is the issue right there.

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O.K. I live on a farm, my land is posted and I own cattle. They are not scared of a diesel tractor, they are exposed to it regularly and they also know it's bringing them the bales they feed on. Quit different than the high pitched whine of a snow machine. I do not want anyone on my land unless they have asked and I know who they are I OWN IT!!! it is MY property. If you came out of your house and found me sitting on the hood of your vehicle would that be ok?...What it comes down to is a matter of respect for other peoples property and obeying the law. I really don't want to have to call the police because of some peoples lack of consideration for land owners and the laws we have, because there are more important crimes to deal with. We have had our fences cut and snow machines go on our fields. we have had a bull shot on our property during hunting season (years ago) we have had our home broken into and quaders spinning donuts in our driveway throwing gravel everywhere (nice on the lawnmower blades) there is garbage being dumped in our ditches and I have found deer with the hind quarters & horns cut off lying on the side of the road not during and open hunting season. Still wonder why we're touchy? My solution is to put on your big kid pants, grow up and stick to the trails or invest in your own land before you invest in a toy you have no where or right to be operating.

I have have lived and sleded in this area for nearly 40 years and have seen little to no problems.I own land and cattle that excuse is lame we have fences near road and highways,maybe those should be closed to these complainers.I to seen a sled out my window, I smiled and waved.most of this land is owned by few farmers that live miles away making it imposible to get premission if you can find a house at all.these sledders and to our ecomamy in a big way,you looking out your window and complaining does not.Our problem is with complainers and selfish people like ed who sound alot like zekee.Please put down the bottle,get off the couch,stop terarising the children and find something better to do. your neighbour

Mac I think you have had the best statement here. It is creating huge economy the sleds service and fuel alone. As was said earlier. If I am sledding around and from the city I have no idea who owns what land and whoever said just go to the nearest house and ask I don't even know where the houses are.

Teresa Worobetz You have had some issues that are so not related to the average sledder. People cutting fences is wrong period. Break and enteres happen everywhere they suck but that is a crime. The poaching again 100% wrong. in the city we get cars spinning donughts on the streets all the time you deal with it how you have to. We have other issues as well. If you know who the people are that are doing this go talk to them. Sometimes it just takes simple commuunication to end the issue.

Its great that so many people are snowmobiling because it is a great way to have fun in the winter. The only problem is that not everyone wants people snowmobiling on their land. Its great for those of you that dont care but there are obviously alot that do otherwise it would not be such a problem. The fact is that if the land is not yours and you dont see a house to ask permission at you should just assume you cant go there. I would never assume that I could just walk across someones backyard just because theres no one there to see me. Its rude and disrespectful to the people that own that property if they do not want you there and its better to be safe than sorry. Stick to the ditches, trails or your own land.

I don't know why there is discussion about this. YOu don't own the land you don't have permission to be on it, then STAY OFF IT.
Too bad for you if you can't find a house to go ask. Go to the RM office and look at a map of who owns the land you want to play on. It's YOUR responsibility, you don't own the place because you're on a sled.
Sleds are annoying. Like a HIGH REVVING RICED OUT HONDA!!!!
Like I said, how would you like it if I took the cans off my bike and road up and down your streets at 12 grand?!

Moi do you have issue with people running the duitches by your place as well? Seems like there is mot much that would make you happy. I am sure by the sounds of it if someone did knowck on your door you would tell them to get lost in a not so nice way anyway. And by the sounds of your bike your crotch rocket is not much different then any sled or import racer out there.

I lived at the lake when I was younger and would have snowmobiles ripping past my place at 2 am.
And of course I would tell them to get lost and get their own land to play on. I wouldn't buy land to make it someone's playground! I grew up on a farm and I know that someone would have been out there with a shotgun if a bunch of snowmobilers were shredding our land!

It's not my issue, it's the LAW!

My bike is not loud, it has stock exhaust but it could be loud if I removed my cans, and if you like loud noises so much I should remove them and go rip up and down your streets!
I'm entitled to my opinion and my opinion is I hate the sound of snowmobiles.

As far as this discussion is concerned, it is THE LAW that you ask permission to ride on someone's land. SO TOO BAD FOR YOU if they tell you to Ehf OFF!

I live in town, but I sympathize with the people who have to put up with D-bags who think they own anything that has some snow on it!

P.S: very few of them could be called import racers...they are just gutless 4 cyls with a soup can bolted on.
Just my opinion though.

Ok "ANNOYED" here's a funny for ya -- I grew up on a farm and my family still has 250 head of purebred Semitol cattle -- not some skittish cows like you obviously have -- GET OVER IT -- YOU CAN'T STOP PEOPLE FROM SKI-DOOING!!

Just to point out - I DO NOT believe that ski-dooers should be on private (POSTED) land but sometimes people go alittle too far with there postings and don't even want people in the ditches which is absurd!
As for the cut fences and people poaching on your land -- that is something TOTALLY illegal and should be reported.

Merry Christmas everyone and have some fun would ya -- life is TOO SHORT!

I'm sure that people get a kick out of scaring livestock though! But yes, they can be frightened by them, and there's nothing you can do if someone's riding in the ditch. I've driven an emergency vehicle with sirens going down a rural road and scared the bejesus out of someone's herd, but that's beyond my control.
I believe if the land is not posted, it is still your responsibility to gain permission from the owner of the land. Stay on your trails, that is that.
Go have fun on your trails, that is what they are for

I must say this " first of all you sledders are adults and if you can't obey signs what are you teaching your children if they are with you when you ride. Well if dad can go through it when the sign says no so can I". POINT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY KEEP OUT. pLAIN AND SIMPLE. Like time to grown up and act your age and be responsible. doesn't matter who has cows or not the point is said.

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the only way to fix this problem is to put the city taxes up by 30% and then have an inspector come out to @#$% the damage.then pay you on the spot.

I understand that sledding is a fun & great pastime...this whole situation id based on LAW and REPECT for what does not belong to you as well as common sense. YES these machines..12 to 15 that went by the other day did enter onto our property with out our permission. sley entered a slew wich has barb with ou our permission, it also has barb wire covere by the snow,,,very dangerous, as we are 3rd generation cattle & kand owners I expect people to take the time to ask....our land IS posted and he have hunters that ask. this will continue till somebody gets hurt, we have diamond harrows inour field under snow...this is our land our living, our lives. as for calling the police we have and will continue to do so, it's unfortunate that they may be here when they are needed for a serious crime, and as for our cattle, the high pitched whine scares them and they run...I will tell you straight out we jump into 2 vehicles and follow where the tracks go, we have talked to people ang gotten verbal abuse. I have bideo of quaders this last fall in front of my house (after the spun donuts in our driveway) swearing at my husband. There are plenty of landowners who don't mind people on their land, the sledders just need to ask,,,,not eveyone has reasons not to keep them off and don't care. find the right person, get permission and have a blast BUT OBEY THE LAW....these laws were put in place for a reason....what gives people the right to decide what laws they can break....and where do they draw the line then?....

Private property is private, simple as that.

I don't totally understand some of the posters. My wife and I live in the country and we own some land and my father also owns some land. And we do have some of it posted to keep people off and that seems to work. No problems since the signs are at the entrances to the property in question and people in general respect the signs.
Other places were we don't care are left un posted and if someone wishes to use the land for kicks and giggles on a sled they are welcome to it. We even have some trails through the bush that we make every year with our own sleds so that the kids can come out and enjoy them. Since the trails tie in with trails on public land we feel if others want to use them it’s fine cause it don't bother us. We do have signs were there trails end in our yard that say "Private Property No Trespassing and that seems to work most of the time. The odd occasion someone misses the signs and comes into the yard and so far every time they were apologetic and quite embarrassed to have made the mistake except for one time when a guy needed to use the phone cause another sled was broken down and people needed a ride, no biggy we were glad to help and even went out and towed the disabled sled back so it would not be left on a trail.
The point is that people who drive sleds are for the most part responsible and don’t want to cause anyone else any grief. The few bad apples can be dealt with but they are a very small minority. So lets concentrate on finding solutions to those few and not go piling the rest of them into that same barrel.
And Sledders be responsible, obey signs and respect private property so that we don’t have landowners up in arms about these things. The next generation deserves the same privileges of sledding that our generation has enjoyed so lets not screw it up for them.

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