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It's impossible to answer this question any further at this time. The spot in question is still buried under snow & ice. Beyond that I have already stated this: The outer section of deterioration was covered with a large patch, however whatever the understructure of the road surface is in question as to it's stability.
I cannot photograph this spot until the snow is gone. In addition there is no safe spot to park & walk up to photograph it.
Original Notification to you:
Just a mile or so north of route 263 on River Road - after you pass by Dilly's Eatery, is a section of Road Surface that is obviously breaking apart.
Its dipping down & out toward the guardrail and has multiple cracks all over the surface. As this is such a major artery of our scenic road which will only get worse & possible injure or kill an unsuspecting motorist - or send a school bus load over the embankment for 20 to 30 foot drop into the canal - it must be addressed immediately!
15 Comments
L. Williams (Guest)
Every time I head up river I fear for that spot. If there is someone coming from out of town to visit I try to warn them about it, especially at night. It's terrible and needs to be fixed before an accident occurs.
D. Platt (Guest)
At the very least this section of roadway should have spray paint applied to the area in question & have some caution signs in place.
In the meantime perhaps we need to take pictures & post it up in our local area plus send notices into the state about it....But then we all know how long any repairs might take, considering the length of time all of our local bridges & misc. other road repairs have taken (anywhere from 5 to 10 years of deterioration or more before they get any attention is not unusual!)
So far as I know this particular problem would be under the jurisdiction of the New Hope Solebury area - so if anyone has a clue who to contact - please post it here. Maybe we'll have to start a petition, or write into the Bucks County Herald or the New Hope Gazette???
D. Platt (Guest)
I just found out about this contact number for PENNDOT at 1-800-FIX-ROAD and made a call - so we'll see what happens now.
For another way to contact them - folks who are concerned should also try to add their concerns here: via the contact form on their website http://www.facebook.com/l/c6191;www.dot.state.pa.us/"
L. Williams (Guest)
Good find on the PENNDOT number. I'll call too. It has to get fixed, and it needs to be done soon. I can't imagine what would happen if you hit it at the wrong speed...I know it's there so I go slower, but even then it's scarey. And there are people who travel way too fast on RR all the time. The risk factor is just too big here.
D. Platt (Guest)
Update:
While it may not be enough - as I'm sure the outer "wall"/bank area needs to be more fully supported to avoid more deterioration - there has been a large patch applied over this spot. At least it's an improvement.
D. Platt (Guest)
The problem was addressed with a very large patch. While it is certainly a major improvement - the actual issue behind it has not been fully addressed. Runoff from the hillside opposite from the section of road involved is very likely causing a loss of solid ground below the pavement. Both this & support along the right hand (canal side) of this section of the road need to be further evaluated by engineers to determine safety for the future.
I have also noticed that there are areas a few hundred feet before this particular spot that seem to be starting to show the same deterioration. These spots were not touched with any repairs as yet.
D. Platt (Guest)
This section of road is much improved - but I'm still concerned about the underlaying cause & the road bed beneath the huge patch that was applied here. Who really knows whether there's enough support off to guardrail side or not? There are also areas of cracked pavement in other portions of the road shortly before this large patch. I've also noted a number of other repairs that need to be made - mostly between the route 263 intersection on the way up to Lumberville.
I would not consider this matter to be fully resolved.
D. Platt (Guest)
The problem area has been repaired - though it could still be built up even more. Also the cause of the deterioration hasn't been addressed.
There is still another spot within a less than 1/8th of mile before this one - which is also beginning to show signs of collapse in the substructure below the road surface.
Numerous other sections of River Road have other areas along the edges (by or under the guardrails) that are starting to fall apart. A short drive between Route 263 up through Lumberville and north up toward Point Pleasant reveal a minimum of 3 or 4 areas that could use attention & repair.
In addition - one potential problem is on the hillside within a 1/2 mile or so of the repair near Centerbridge. There was a landslide there in last year or so that closed that section of road for a time. All that has been done was to put up a few large concrete barriers and some plastic webbing - to keep further soil from coming out onto the roadway. Come spring, and heavy rain another larger collapse of the hillside is likely to occur in this area, as it's already obviously weak here.
D. Platt (Guest)
This issue has yet to be completely resolved. Patching a section of cracked pavement does not address the outer support structure beneath the roadway - not the likely runoff problem from the hillside across from it.
Until we move into the warmer temperatures of springtime & the snow is gone it would be impossible to access this particular area right now.
Please note there are spots just a few hundred feet before this spot that are showing similar signs of deterioration, as well as others over the next couple miles north of it - along the edges of the roadway - next to & beneath the guardrails.
Deborah Engisch-Platt
Although this area was repaired with a very large patch & is probably stabilized - I have doubts that the fix will hold for more than a couple of years. The repair job looks messy & uneven.
There is still a large orange & white barrel there marking the spot.
sminnucci (Guest)
The road is just patched, but the bigger concern should be the failure of the retaining wall which is most likely causing the failure of road. The subbase material is going somewhere ie following storm pipe trenching or the wall has moved. The patch may be a temporary fix while a design is finished for a permanent fix.
Deborah Engisch-Platt
I fully agree, but aside from the retaining wall being a part of the issue here - it's ongoing runoff from the opposite side of the road that is adding to the issue here. This may require some major engineering to make a more permanent repair. My thought is that cutting back the bank on the southbound side & installing both a retaining wall & possibly a drainage pipe running deep below the road surface may help.
However we all know the state is low on funding many road repairs & that this is unlikely to be addressed anytime soon - given how long it's taken for them to do anything about many local rural bridges & especially Point Pleasant Pike - located on the hill going up from Point Pleasant central!
Deborah Engisch-Platt
I fully agree, but aside from the retaining wall being a part of the issue here - it's ongoing runoff from the opposite side of the road that is adding to the issue here. This may require some major engineering to make a more permanent repair. My thought is that cutting back the bank on the southbound side & installing both a retaining wall & possibly a drainage pipe running deep below the road surface may help.
However we all know the state is low on funding many road repairs & that this is unlikely to be addressed anytime soon - given how long it's taken for them to do anything about many local rural bridges & especially Point Pleasant Pike - located on the hill going up from Point Pleasant central!
Deborah Engisch-Platt
While the repair was made - it is less than perfect. I would expect further problems at this location & many others all along River Road - given the past couple of big storms at the end of the summer 2011 & how much erosion was caused during them.
Closed Deborah Engisch-Platt
Because I believe this problem to be as resolved as it's going to be.