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It's very hard to see whether or not cars are coming up and down Orange St when trying to cross from one side of Bishop to the other. Is there potential to have a traffic light put here?
It's very hard to see whether or not cars are coming up and down Orange St when trying to cross from one side of Bishop to the other. Is there potential to have a traffic light put here?
28 Comments
Sam (Guest)
This is far from a dangerous intersection.
Jon (Guest)
Ok, was just throwing it out there to see if anyone else felt unsafe in there cars, not on foot...
Closed Valencia (Guest)
If it's "just been thrown out there" it is not an issue.
Brian Tang (Guest)
I would recommend either curb extensions or a center median/pedestrian refuge. There's an example of a center median on a street with bike lanes and parking on both sides on my commute I'll see if I can remember to bring a camera to work tomorrow. Center medians/pedestrian refuges are expensive (10s of thousands of $), but they are about 1/100th the cost of a full traffic signal ($1 million +).
Reopened Mark
Not sure why this was closed.
Mark
There are pictures of what a possible solution could look like on this issue, which was reported about 2 years ago for Bishop Street, and is still open.
http://www.seeclickfix.com/issues/759.html
Mark
There are pictures of what a potential solution would look like here. This issue was reported about 2 years ago on Bishop Street but not reported fixed yet.
http://www.seeclickfix.com/issues/759.html
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cranky (Guest)
I don't know why this issue would have been closed either.
It's still an issue!
It's dangerous on a daily basis for those of us who live in the neighborhood.
Nica's delivery trucks are the offenders. They're illegally parked in a bus stop. The city was allegedly contacted, and periodically there are traffic people ticketing cars, but the trucks seem immune.
What is up with this??
juli
this is often a dangerous intersection, as cranky put it above, with illegally parked trucks and limited visibility for pedestrians and drivers alike trying to cross. add to this the percentage of drivers who think they don't need to stop at crosswalks, and it gets hairier yet.
a traffic light, though, probably wouldn't solve it. nicas needs to solve its delivery truck problem, and traffic calming would help a lot (the center median idea is a good one, brian)
Closed Linnea (Guest)
Juli is so right.
This issue is all about a traffic light.
Juli does not think a traffic light is a good solution.
Let's move on to more important issues.
Reopened juli
i'm reopening this issue because it is an important one to continue discussion on for people in the neighborhood who deal with it every day.
Linnea,
i'm afraid i don't see your point. elaborate.
roger huzendubel (Guest)
i think of all the issues in new haven this has to be the one with the least merit. your seriously scared to cross the street ?
cranky (Guest)
roger, you're not clear about this. and i don't think linnea is either.
try driving west on bishop street, and at orange, when there are one or more delivery trucks blocking your view, you'll get a feel for the situation.
it is dangerous.
i live near this corner, and drive through this intersection daily. i hear the skidding and screeching of cars who didn't see another oncoming car,
pedestrian, or cyclist.
if you're coming out of bishop, you have to get way out into orange street to see if it's clear.
there have been a lot of accidents here, and i suspect there will be more.
seriously.
idiothater (Guest)
Seems like you don't read. It's about driving, not walking. Try to read and absorb what you've read before jumping to comment like a child would.
Simon B (Guest)
I live in this area. This is neither dangerous walking or driving. Methinks the folks who post here wouldn't last a minute in New York, Boston, or any other metropolis. If you can't handle New Haven, then get out!
idiothater (Guest)
"methinks" ? I work in NYC everyday, and this intersection is a danger to drivers. Maybe you don't drive. Keep your negative comments to yourself and try to be more constructive; another childlike reaction to an adult situation... Fantastic!
Anonymous
I drive down Orange every day and this intersection is not nearly as dangerous as is trying to dodge all of the idiot college students downtown.
cranky
"methinks" is also unclear about this.
it's a blind corner. it is dangerous when pulling out of bishop street.
that is the point of this post.
i drive in manhattan regularly. these delivery trucks would not be tolerated there for a half an hour.
here? years.
(and nobody said driving down orange was a problem!)
Mark
Simon B: I'm not sure your argument holds up to the data. New Haven typically has a higher per capita level of overall traffic fatalities than New York City. I think there's plenty of cause for concern here.
Bishop and Orange, and some of the other corners along Orange Street where vehicles regularly park illegally, is a crash waiting to happen.
Brian Tang's suggestions, above, would solve the problem by ensuring vehicles don't park illegally at the corners. Temporary curb extensions could be installed until funding was made available for permanent infrastructure.
In many cities, dangerous areas are given temporary traffic calming, which can last 2-10 years until funds become available for permanent construction.
Mark
Has the city studied the suggestions made below? (and on threads such as http://www.seeclickfix.com/issues/44725 ?)
Ben (Admin)
I do!
Mark
Anyone from the neighborhood have time/energy to fill out and submit a "complete streets" request form about this crossing? There are examples posted at http://www.cityofnewhaven.com/Engineering/completestreets.asp. Getting these public space requests on the official public record (ideally with as many signatures/supporters as possible for each) demonstrates that changes are needed, and therefore can help the city improve the safety of these intersections over time. If you need help completing the form itself you may want to contact your local alderperson or newhavensafestreets at gmail.com for assistance.
Donald Harvey
A member of the Bishop-Hine Block Watch is stepping up to head the development of a CS proposal not just for this intersection but for the block between it and Humphrey -- which includes dealing with Nica's delivery trucks, etc.
Anyone who wants to join in on the work cand email me at dharvey001@gmail.com
Mark
That's great, Donald. Any update on the proposal? I don't see it listed at http://www.cityofnewhaven.com/Engineering/completestreets.asp
Mark
Any update on the proposal to fill out a request form here? I like Brian Tang's ideas, above, of adding "bump outs" (curb extensions).
Currently, the crosswalks are too wide, making it likely that a pedestrian will get hit by cars turning onto Bishop from Orange or vice versa. The current situation also increases the risk of car crashes, as noted above.
Ideally, the crosswalks should be raised as well. This would have a major traffic calming impact on the street as a whole (raising property values), and also make it easier for people to cross Bishop when walking down Orange.
Example of "bumped out" sidewalks and raise crosswalk used together: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2365/2238158788_ba1601db58.jpg?v=0 (this is what nearly every street in London looks like)
If we want to see property values rise, we need to make this street an attractive place to live, work and walk along with families, not just a great place to speed down and get into crashes with cars crossing at Bishop.
Shoeleather Sam (Guest)
I know this post will just be deleted since it doesn't propose the city spend thousands of dollars making the roads more accommodating to pedestrians, but perhaps... just maybe... some of these pedestrians might gather enough savvy to LEARN HOW TO CROSS A STREET?
I cross that intersection several times a day... pick your spot and hustle across the street. Pretty simple. You might have to wait a minute or two, but it really isn't all that tough.
It's ridiculous the idiocy I see with folks trying to cross streets in this town. Running out in front of speeding cars, then rushing back to the sidewalk, or just sauntering out into traffic and expecting everyone to stop for them... Not looking over your shoulder for turning cars...
Seriously... Learn how to cross a street.
Mark
Shoeleather, is that how you would recommend talking to children and permanently or temporarily disabled persons in the neighborhood? Have you ever had a broken leg? The streets should be made safe for people of all ages and abilities - if this intersection is a problem for able-bodied persons to cross, imagine what it is like to be in another person's shoes.