While the road was fixed, I believe the bigger problem is the traffic light at the intersection. It is so confusing with the flashing yellow and red arrow. Why not just put a flashing red there which people know means to stop first and then proceed. The flashing yellow is confusing because a yellow light is intended to caution people to slow down and get ready to stop, not to proceed through the intersection. Also, the timinig of the arrows is not consistent. Sometimes after the flashing yellow the light turns red and sometimes it goes to a green arrow. The cycle of the light is horrible. I avoid that intersection as much as possible since this new light was installed.
The Utica from 14 Mile to north of 15 Mile project was done through Economic Stimulus funds, and there simply was not enough funding to go further at this time. There has not been another round of funding through this plan as of yet. We have included 14 Mile & Utica for our 2011 Pavement Preservation Program. In the meantime, our maintenance crews will patch this intersection as needed.
Mulvey is a city street and is not within Road Commission jurisdiction, so it was not paved by the Road Commission with economic stimulus funds.
The Utica from 14 Mile to north of 15 Mile resurfacing project was chosen from a pool of projects submitted to the Federal Aid Committee for Economic Stimulus funding. Not all areas could be considered for this program as each project had to be shovel-ready and able to be obligated for funding prior to the end of the fiscal year.
Oh well. I apologize about Mulvey. That was city money that was wasted on that.
I guess we can't count on the stimulus money to be used for anything stimulating - like fixing Fraser's primary intersection, improving the downtown look, and making people want to drive into the city.
Wasn't that the whole purpose of the stimulus money? To actual stimulate business activity?
Why can't the light be changed to the kind we use for all other intersections. You can't just put up a blinking yellow light and expect drivers to know what that means. Where else do you see lights like this in this area? I was taught yellow means it will be turning red so stop, not go through as you please.
cut and paste this link in your web browser or go to www.michigan.gov/mdot and search for "yellow turn signal" for information on how these new signals work.
i waited 2mins at that intersection..are those sensors adjusted properly? im avoiding fraser all together the intersection there are the worst for traffic. i hope those small busnesses complain cuz i would. they ruined those intersections with the sensors
I received the link regarding the new flashing yellow lights. I get the idea, but I still think it is a bad one. It seemed like the previous system worked well, why change it then, just to spend more taxpayer dollars? Flashing reds and green arrows make much more sense. Perhaps to make traffic flow better, putting in more flashing reds and green arrows at intersections is the best way!
These new signals have now been approved as standard guidelines and installed throughout the entire country, so we believe they are here to stay. These intersection upgrades do cost money to install, but federal funding geared to improve air quality (CMAQ funds - Congestion Mitigation for Air Quality) can cover up to 100% for many of these modernizations. These signals are considered to improve traffic flow and safety.
I'm all for these lights. Yes, they take some getting used to, but the benefits of keeping traffic flowing at that intersection for north/south drivers especially is great.
If I am correct, the cameras that are at the top of the poles have something to do with the management of these now "intelligent" signals.
It appears they are going in at 15 and Schoenherr too.
They will be going up EVERYWHERE as soon as the money is available to finish them up! It may take some time for the RCMC to get the right adjustments to the sensor lights, but I'm sure they will help in the long run with traffic management. I'm confident that things are going to improve! Now if we can get the drivers to learn how to navigate the new lights ;)
Haha, no comments because I avoid this intersection as much as possible. In my opinion still the worst sequence of lights that I have ever experienced. Now, they just changed the lights at 15 Mile and Schoenherr and they work beautifully. Great sequence, has greatly enhanced the traffic flow and was a great change overall. Perhaps whoever installed the 14 Mile/Utica lights should take a close look and consider making the same changes.
The sequence of the 14 Mile/Utica intersection is awful. I drove through there recently only because I had no other choice and the red and yellow arrows went through two different cycles while I was waiting for traffic. Each sequence was different -- one time the yellow arrow went to green and one time it went to red. Now, how am I supposed to know which cycle the light is on if I am only waiting for one cycle. It is too confusing. Furthermore, it is the only light that I know of that does that. The intersection further up the road at 15 Mile/Utica is once again totally different! How about some consistency and less confusion, huh??
The reason for your center turn angst come from cars that are turning left that stop at the light before cars going straight in the opposite direction stop. The light will then give the left turn car(s) a green arrow first since they had been waiting longer. Otherwise, the light will go as normal with the left turn getting a blinking yellow and a green at the end. The 14 & Garfield signal is exactly the same (so there is at least one other light that does this, and I'm sure there are others ;)).
If you haven't driven this way in awhile, then you obviously have not seen how the light works. Believe me (or don't believe me, I really don't care), the sequencing kinks have been pretty much worked out and traffic flow has been much better. The light stays green long enough for waiting traffic to get through (weather permitting) now, which is how it is suppose to work. You better get used to the new lights, since they are going up all over the U.S.
I understand your frustration, but I'm not sure what else can be done other than to educate drivers like yourself to learn how the lights work. Merry Christmas! (and I'll leave it open just for you!)
I AGREE, THE ROAD IS A MESS THE TRAFFIC LIGHTS ARE SOO OUTTA SYNC TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP IN ALL FOUR DIRECTIONS, THEY REALLY MESSED THIS INTERSECTION UP BAD .... I AVIOD FRASER ALL TOGETHER NOW, MUST BE NICE FOR SMALL BUSNESSES....NOT!!!!
Many thanks to the Fraser City Council and the County for coming through and committing to fixing this section of our city roads. While it will be a traffic mess for a few months, the many benefits (and reduced repair bills on my car), will be very much worth it
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Anonymous (Guest)
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Obviously, this was stimulus money not well spent.
You paved Mulvey, but ignored the worst intersection in the city.
Great waste of borrowed China money.
Thanks!
Road Commission of Macomb County (Guest)
Mulvey is a city street and is not within Road Commission jurisdiction, so it was not paved by the Road Commission with economic stimulus funds.
The Utica from 14 Mile to north of 15 Mile resurfacing project was chosen from a pool of projects submitted to the Federal Aid Committee for Economic Stimulus funding. Not all areas could be considered for this program as each project had to be shovel-ready and able to be obligated for funding prior to the end of the fiscal year.
Steve (Guest)
Oh well. I apologize about Mulvey. That was city money that was wasted on that.
I guess we can't count on the stimulus money to be used for anything stimulating - like fixing Fraser's primary intersection, improving the downtown look, and making people want to drive into the city.
Wasn't that the whole purpose of the stimulus money? To actual stimulate business activity?
Never mind - I give up
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Steve (Guest)
Because progress sometimes requires learning new things.
I know what a blinking yellow light means, and I learned to drive 30+ years ago.
The 14 and Utica intersection blinking yellow saves me a lot of time, but you do have to be observant, put the cell phone down, and pay attention.
Road Commission of Macomb County (Guest)
http://www.michigan.gov/mdot/0,1607,7-151-9615_44557_44566_50973-157528--,00.html
cut and paste this link in your web browser or go to www.michigan.gov/mdot and search for "yellow turn signal" for information on how these new signals work.
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I'm all for these lights. Yes, they take some getting used to, but the benefits of keeping traffic flowing at that intersection for north/south drivers especially is great.
If I am correct, the cameras that are at the top of the poles have something to do with the management of these now "intelligent" signals.
It appears they are going in at 15 and Schoenherr too.
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Haha, no comments because I avoid this intersection as much as possible. In my opinion still the worst sequence of lights that I have ever experienced. Now, they just changed the lights at 15 Mile and Schoenherr and they work beautifully. Great sequence, has greatly enhanced the traffic flow and was a great change overall. Perhaps whoever installed the 14 Mile/Utica lights should take a close look and consider making the same changes.
The sequence of the 14 Mile/Utica intersection is awful. I drove through there recently only because I had no other choice and the red and yellow arrows went through two different cycles while I was waiting for traffic. Each sequence was different -- one time the yellow arrow went to green and one time it went to red. Now, how am I supposed to know which cycle the light is on if I am only waiting for one cycle. It is too confusing. Furthermore, it is the only light that I know of that does that. The intersection further up the road at 15 Mile/Utica is once again totally different! How about some consistency and less confusion, huh??
tommyboy (Registered User)
The reason for your center turn angst come from cars that are turning left that stop at the light before cars going straight in the opposite direction stop. The light will then give the left turn car(s) a green arrow first since they had been waiting longer. Otherwise, the light will go as normal with the left turn getting a blinking yellow and a green at the end. The 14 & Garfield signal is exactly the same (so there is at least one other light that does this, and I'm sure there are others ;)).
If you haven't driven this way in awhile, then you obviously have not seen how the light works. Believe me (or don't believe me, I really don't care), the sequencing kinks have been pretty much worked out and traffic flow has been much better. The light stays green long enough for waiting traffic to get through (weather permitting) now, which is how it is suppose to work. You better get used to the new lights, since they are going up all over the U.S.
I understand your frustration, but I'm not sure what else can be done other than to educate drivers like yourself to learn how the lights work. Merry Christmas! (and I'll leave it open just for you!)
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