Description
A stop sign was recently added in the left turn lane for SE-bound Embarcadero W at Webster Street, but the straight through lane still has no stop sign. This is very confusing for cross traffic on Webster Street, which might see the stop sign in the turn lane and think it applies to the straight through lane as well. Beyond that, one can't tell if a driver on Embarcadero will go straight or turn until the last second, so Webster traffic won't know whether to yield or take the right of way. Please add a second stop sign for the SE-bound straight through lane on Embarcadero W to turn this into a true all-way stop and alleviate the confusion.
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Acknowledged City of Oakland (Verified Official)
TOM (Registered User)
Robert Prinz (Registered User)
Right Tom, I understand that. There's also a swing arm that comes down and lights that come on for that lane when the train is passing, too.
The problem with the current configuration happens when there is no train, due to the confusion caused by having a stop sign for one lane but not the other, as cross traffic on Webster turning onto Embarcadero often can't know whether to yield or take the right of way until the last second. An all-way stop would make a lot more sense at this location.
TOM (Registered User)
TOM (Registered User)
Robert Prinz (Registered User)
There isn't enough traffic at this intersection to warrant a signal, which would cost upwards of $100k and would never be approved by UPRR anyway.
This is a T-intersection which currently has stop signs for two and a half out of three directions, which is highly unusual and causing confusion. Simply updating it to a normal 3-way stop for all directions is inexpensive, simple, and a pretty obvious fix.
TOM (Registered User)
Robert Prinz (Registered User)
The stop sign for the left turn lane from Embarcadero W onto Webster was added within just the past few weeks. Before that the only stops at this T-intersection were for Webster and NW-bound Embarcadero W.
Having stops at only 2 out of 3 legs of a T-intersection was already problematic, but changing it to 2 and a half out of 3 is even more confusing, especially at a location with regular bus, truck, train, pedestrian, and bike traffic. Turning it into a true 3-way stop as I suggested is a very reasonable fix, I'm not sure why you seem so opposed to it Tom. The high volume of pedestrian traffic here alone seems to warrant it, regardless of the potential vehicle conflicts.
TOM (Registered User)
Gary Knecht (Registered User)
TOM (Registered User)