Yes. It does need to be a school zone. Too many children walk unescorted and/or unsupervised to school to allow faster traffic. Others ride bikes. Don't remove or reduce the school zone in this area.

I've referred this to our Public Works Department. I will update this issue when I have heard back from them. Thanks for reporting.

Ive lived on glascock for over 12 years now (near the intersection at brookside) right in the middle of the area at topic here. this area has become a nightmare for traffic. I know the city has done some studies and traffic counts out here recently. but never heard much about after.

Losing the school zone postings is STUPID at best.
1) I Propose that the city make it 25mph limit AT ALL TIMES (down from the current 35mph with limited time 25mph on school days). some folks are currently flying down the hill from raleigh blvd to brookside in excess of 50mph.

2) I ALSO Propose that the limit be designated a NO THRU TRUCK ZONE as well. there have been an awful lot of semis, commercial box trucks, school busses, and a multitude of other traffic SPEEDING through this area for some years. but the truck traffic has recently gotten out of hand. there is no reason for a full size 53ft semi or a school bus for that matter to be turning the corner onto brookside after flying down the hill on glascock from the raleigh blvd area. there is no business here that requires a semi to bring goods. including beer trucks (ahhem brookside market..!) parked in the middle of the road..and 99% of the school busses clipping through here are NOT used for Conn Elememtary. seams its become a shortcut of sorts to Atlantic ave from New Bern Ave. (allthough crabtree blvd has been the designated truck route for years, none use it. they choose glascock instead)

I was TAILGAITED by a school bus yesterday, and the driver got mad. had the nerve to slam on their horn as i attempted to pull into my driveway, ALL WHILE THE BUS DRIVER WAS TALKING ON A CELL PHONE!!!!!!!!!!!

I ask the city to take serious note here. this area has become a priority area in need of some speed control devices. I understand the police cant patrol just here all the time. but we've discussed the speed bump idea, and now is a great time to just implement it . the topic has been brought up numerous times with being looked over for higher priority things. I do totally understand there is a fire station just up the road, I do understand there is costs involved, I do understand that this is not the top of the cities priority list for funds spent. but if somthing isnt dont, i can sense a pedestrian faitality via motor vehicle or a major traffic crash involving a house type accident here soon.

Gentle Neighbors,

Please take note of what I originally asked, which was why is this a school zone. Nowhere did I ask that it be removed. It simply seems odd to me that a school zone is blocks away from the school and I asked why that is.

I feel that when the school zone is active it results in through traffic cutting through on Edmund or Monroe, rather than Glascock which is a collector street and built for this traffic. It also seems odd to me that Glascock would be a school zone but Edmund (which is actually closer to Conn) is not.

If Glascock speeding is an issue, neighbors can take a petition around and ask that the speed limit reduced to 25 MPH, as I have done for Edmund. I stand ready to assist.

Cheers,
Mark
(my real name)

Glascock Troll--I circulated a petition for traffic calming in this section because you are absolutely correct. It is abysmal and very dangerous. I got enough signatures to have it approved, so a meeting on how to implement it should be coming in the next couple of months. Hopefully it will get better and divert these trucks and busses, which do speed like mad.

Mark--The implication of such an inquiry is that you think the sign should be removed, so please understand some backlash. Such an inquiry has potentially dangerous and harmful consequences for us neighbors on this street if it were to be removed, so please use discernment when making an inquiry such as this one to City officials next time. Why would you not simply raise an issue asking for Edmund or Monroe to also be a school zone, if we follow your logic?

I will never use my real name on the internet, but all the immediate neighbors know exactly who I am.you can find me on my side porch most of the time... "3 doors down" from the store.

ive never seen any petitions and am usually not included in on things like CAC's or watches..the neighborhood has NEVER let me know of anything going on. I SEEM TO FIND OUT ON MY OWN!

Mark, If there was ever a way to exceed 25 mph on edmonds st id like to see it. there is too many vehicles parked on the street to safely drive this street at 25 even. not to mention there is only 1 connector st to edmunds that is even paved (state st). the rest are all gravel alleys. maybe you should ask the city to pave them first. I would also like to see the traffic studies done on edmunds traffic. most of the cars cant even GET to edmunds let alone use it for a "shortcut".

this entire situation has become off topic. you stirred up more of a hornets nest than provideing a good suggestion of action.
btw I talked to a supervisor at the school system. basically was told thats not their problem regarding the busses. it seams we may have to take our own action regarding the speeding busses. (calling police with bus numbers , plates and times of day)
sincerly
the glascock troll.

ALSO..DO NOT VOTE TO FIX THIS...the vote counts to REMOVE the school zone. not keep it!

If the comments are now focused om the impact of school traffic on Edmund St, where I live, I would suggest a solution for easing would be to make a right turn lane into the school at the light at the school. This would prevent thru traffic on Brookside being delayed by cars waiting for access to the school's driveway. Counter to Mark's comment, as an Edmund resident, I don't use Edmund to Brookside during school hours. I instead go Willow to Glascock to Norris to get to Wake Forest to avoid all the school delays. I believe drivers diverting to Edmund at all hours are attempting to avoid the light at Glascock-Brookside. Finally, since Edmund is a 25mph zone at all times I don't believe a school zone designation would have an impact other than increase fines for violations. Since I have never seen any speed limit enforcement on Edmund St I doubt that a school zone would make any difference at all. Though, I would not be opposed to a school zone on Edmund.

Pat, this is my point exactly. If speeding on Glascock is the concern, the petition for traffic calming is the way to go. Why not make it a PERMANENT 25 MPH instead of only during school hours? That makes more sense to me. And since the petition has been signed (way to go, neighbors!) this is already in the works.

The biggest reason I believe cars cut through Edmund during school hours is not so much because of the 25 MPH speed limit, (because as Pat pointed out - the speed limits are the same on Glascock and Edmund at that time), it's because there's no right-on-red onto Brookside from Glascock when the school zone is active.

In the time I've been here (4 years now), I've rarely if ever seen any school kids walking down Glascock to get to school. I could probably count the number of times on one hand. Yet take a look at Frank Street: it ends at Brookside RIGHT IN FRONT of the school. Frank Street probably has TWENTY TIMES the number of kids walking to school than Glascock does, but for some reason Frank Street has no school zone and Glascock does? Please explain how this makes any sense!

As a parent of school-age children who walks his kids to school every morning, I am quite concerned about traffic hazards to kids. I have a personal stake, after all. What I don't want to happen is for drivers to become slack by driving through a little-used school zone on Glascock and then become just as complacent driving through the one in front of the school, which most definitely IS needed.

Let's make sure we're putting school zones where they are needed, enforce them, and keep kids safe. There are much better tools that can be used for traffic calming, and these will soon come to Glascock. That's what I'm saying.

Thank you all for the discussion!
Mark

P.S. Mr. Troll: You are invited to attend this Friday evening's meeting at the Glorious Church, 725 Glascock, to discuss this and other matters. The meeting will be from 7:30 - 9 PM. You are also encouraged to attend Monday evening's East CAC meeting at Lions Park Community Center from 7 - 8:30 PM.

You may also consider signing up for the Oakwood Park email list to find out what's happening in your neighborhood: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oakwoodpark I look forward to seeing you there!

Several sections of both Brookside and Glascock are or will be under design for traffic calming. Glascock between Wake Forest and Norris is currently under design for speed humps and we will be having our second meeting with the citizens to hopefully finalize that design. Brookside from Watauga to Glascock is also currently under design for traffic calming by the Urban Design Center. Their second meeting with the citizens should be coming up in the next couple of months. Glascock from Norris to North Raleigh was the highest ranking street on this year’s major project list and has recently turned in their petition of support for traffic calming. We will be setting up their initial neighborhood meeting in late winter or early spring to begin their traffic calming design process. Both Brookside and Glascock may have their speed limit reduced to 25 mph but the requestor must realize that it is now done through citizen petition. We can make up the petition for either street but the requestor would need to circulate the petition and gather the required signatures from at least 75% of the properties listed within the 60 day time frame and return the petition back to us. For further inquiry, please contact Tom Fiorello at 996-4066 or via email at thomas.fiorello@raleighnc.gov.