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The traffic flow in this area on Lucas Avenue Ext around runs at 45 MPH. There is a blind-turn and it's hard to see traffic coming and going.
Asking for area to be evaluated for safety concerns.
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The traffic flow in this area on Lucas Avenue Ext around runs at 45 MPH. There is a blind-turn and it's hard to see traffic coming and going.
Asking for area to be evaluated for safety concerns.
45 Comments
Kristen Uhl (Guest)
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hurley (Guest)
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Lisa (Guest)
This school participates in the Unniversal Pre-K program through Kingston City schools, comparing it to a private business or daycare center is NOT accurate.
Regardless, this is just recognized as a concern and there are people that do this type of planning for a living...with whatever science or engineering solutions they have..and I think anyone would be up for whatever makes sense to make the road more safe to navigate on and off around the limited sight distance on Lucas Avenue on this spot.
Love the suggestions and comments of people who know the area and the road!
Kristy (Guest)
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Hurley resident (Guest)
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Mike D (Guest)
Michelle Buonfiglio (Guest)
me (Guest)
annonymous (Guest)
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Jen (Guest)
KR (Guest)
KR (Guest)
There is no reason for a traffic light in this location. Common sense says that if you are pulling onto a road you look both ways. In this case I would look left, rightand then left again. The visability to the right is well over 75 yards and the road to the left is almost as far. By the way, who would be covering the cost of a traffic light in this location? There can't be more than 25 to 30 cars a day. Perhaps if the school is that concerned they can inveset in one themselves.
I'm not sayingthat this area can not be dangerous, however, with a little prudence, there should be no problem at all.
hurley (Guest)
Hurley (Guest)
Disappointed some folks on here seem to be placing blame on the school. The risk is apparent regardless of parking arrangements. The real issue here is pulling out onto the road. The accident that took place was not someone backing out onto traffic. The issue can not just be ignored or disregarded with some excuses by folks who obviously do not have the facts. The county not having money is also not a good enough excuse to just stop. With 2012 dollars, what priorities lie out there?
Lets keep this conversation about safety.
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Mr. Smith (Guest)
Nick Crantz (Guest)
What does it matter what type of business it is? It is a matter of public safety. Also, please stop with the "who is going to pay for this" line. Just because it possibly doesn't benefit you does not mean it should not be addressed. The tax payers dollars will pay for it. That is what we pay taxes for. A flashing yellow light is not going to bankrupt the county.
With all that being said, I don't believe that anything will happen. One, because you have too many people that will put up a stink even though it doesn't effect them one bit. These people will complain regardless of what happens. And Two, whatever you do people just simply won't slow down. I have a 3 year old daughter that goes to school there and if anything happens to her and nothing was done in an attempt to prevent it then there will be a real issue!!!
Nick Crantz
lisanna9 (Registered User)
Nicely said Nick!
It's a matter of public safety. The root issue is on a public road.
The issue is made even worse by this being a pre-school. The school participates in the Unniversal Pre-K program through Kingston City Schools. My 4 year old son attends.
How can we spend money on parks, recreation,etc...and not on public safety? Especially when it involves children?
Mr. Smith (Guest)
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lisanna9 (Registered User)
Mr. Smith (Guest)
How about yourself? Do you have a child in the LRSH? ( seems easier to type) Can you fill me in on the accident?
LIsa (Guest)
I was hoping you were with the UC Dept of Transportation. My son attends the school. The accident was not caused by a car backing out onto Lucas.
At this point, we should pursue this cause directly with the people that can do something about it. Speculation or blame can be fun for some (especially when anoymous on this website) however, it doesn't prevent accidents and doesn't keep our children safe.
We pay a great deal in taxes to people who are trained in the science of engineering that keeps our roads safe. The purpose of this post was to express how many people are concerned about this, and ask them to evaluate it, and do something to help.
Let's do the right thing for safety. No more speculation, non-productive conversation regarding this manner. Thanks everyone! Appreciate the thought behind everything!
Mr. Smith (Guest)
Again can anybody explain what caused the accident? That is the root problem. If someone was speeding then speed enforcment is more of a solution. Putting up signs won't slow some people down. Visability really in my opinion doesn't seem to be the issue. Blame is an often misused word the reales to cause. It is the one thing that can point you in the correct direction. With out understanding the cause you can not fix the problem.
As far as in the information that I gathered, it is not speculative and adds to to the knowledge base of this thread.
Nick C. (Guest)
Mr. Smith.
Visability is an issue. The electrician parking lot is not the same as Little Red. If you sit up at the electricians lot you are at the top of the hill and you can look all the way around the turn. You can see 1/3 of a mile in each direction. Little Red is at a lower elevation. When pulling out you can't see the turn or what is coming up over the little hill. The two spots are totally different. They are two diffferent locations. It may not seem like much but look from the lowest end of Little Red and then from the electrician. I did when I dropped off my daughter and they are not the same. I agree that signs and even a flashing light will not make a difference. People will not slow down. If you read my earlier comments I said put a police officer right there in the am and at pick up times. It will slow people down and they will write plenty of tickets which means some revenue for the county. A win-win for everyone. Or, maybe there really is no solution. Maybe they will need someone standing out by the road and let people know when it is safe to pull out.
Nick C.
Lisa (Guest)
Mr Smith- If you read all the comments below, all the answers to your questions exist. At this point, our speculation isn't helping matters. My point with "blame" is that the issue is with the road not, an individual. We are not qualified to fix the problem. If you had charts, visability equations based on the height of the car, etc.....would you feel comfortable building a road design? A couple recommendations have been thrown out there. I am asking for votes to rally together support for this cause to influence people that have the KNOW and the ABILITY to make a change for the better. You say this site is built for discussion..take a look below , this is found on this homepage. This site is to get concerned citizens together, give them a place to combine their efforts and influence those that have the KNOW and the ABILITY. We aren't problem solvers, we are problem reporters.
Again, appreciate the comments and support.
We have contacted:
-Hurley Highway Department. They stated Lucas Avenue is a County Road. But, gave some numbers to call.
-Call out to the UC Traffic Safety Board. They have statistics regarding accidents, etc. These are the people with the measurements, the science, etc...to make a recommendation.
-Various calls out to UC HIghway Department.
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Hurley (Guest)
I agree. More voting, calling the county.
Less debate on here!
Keep our children safe! Something needs to be done!
Mr. Smith (Guest)
me (Guest)
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lisanna9 (Registered User)
This was said a number of times in commetns. This is a pre-school so, it does magnify the situation.. But, frankly...who cares what kind of business it is? It's a matter of public safety. The road has a lack of visability.
This needs to be fixed!
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NYSDOT Maint (Registered User)